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I agree completely 53%  53%  [ 17 ]
I only partially agree 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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I only agree with the FTP rule 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
I only agree with the account deletion rule 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


Only accounts with 0 posts are deleted. This is to try and reflect the true amount of active users on the forum rather than those who sign up and don't post. You can view everything on the forum the same whether you have 0 posts or not registered at all.

The FTP password rule is there for a reason. Without it the FTP would be raped by the public, the server would collapse or would even be shut down by the software companies we host files copyrighted to. The only reason Microsoft have not bothered with us is because we enforce this rule right to the very end. If the password is leaked, it gets changed, thus Microsoft respect us for this as we only let people who are going to contribute information and discussion to the forum have access. Without the password protection and methods of gaining access, the forum would not get as much in the way of discussion as it does, since people only come to get what they want on the server and then disappear. With the "you must post to gain access" method, it promotes the use of the forum and a lot of people decide to have BetaArchive as a regular place that they visit and post on when they use the web.

You're wrong about the way to get access. You have to have 10+ reasonable posts. Nothing more. However to get access to the VIP group, you need 10+ reasonable posts and 750 posts altogether, or 10+ reasonable posts and have donated $5.

Nobody has all privileges to the FTP, except on the upload account where you are expected to be respectful to the other files uploaded.

I suggest you re-read our rules and regulations, and read a bit more into depth about how we operate the forum. We have operated like this since we opened over 2 years ago and we have never had a problem with this structure or way of operating. Sure people have commented but they have been overall happy about the situation because it helps keep the community alive.

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The rule is to keep out people that haven't contributed anything to the forum. Are you aware of how much Andy pays to operate the server?

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:10 pm 
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you read them wrong.

10+ reasonable posts gets you access to the FTP, granted its not spam.
750+ posts or donating $5 grants you access to the VIP section of the forum..

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bandwidth isn't free or cheap either..if everyone in the whole world was downloading off the server it wouldn't last very long.
(ever wonder why theres a donate option in the first place?)

edit -- ahh andy and firewire beat me to it..

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look what happens to other publicly posted links windows 7 etc... shut down in no time. The rules are fine. 10 decent posts isn't much, we don't want leechers here


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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


OK well all the points I would have made have been stated so I'm just going to smack you around with a clue-by-four for a few hours instead.

Keep in mind:

Andy leases his server. He can't add hard disks at will and thus he pays for the amount of space he needs. If he maxes out what he has on useless garbage it costs him more.

Andy has his server in a datacenter, for children who don't know what those are, there homes for servers, ie: there's big providers that push a lot of bandwidth into the building which is available for use by their customers, at a price. If Andy pushes out 3000GB a month it's roughly a 10mbps link. While some providers will say you have an unmetered line, it's NOT REALLY UNMETERED, thus if you start using 100mbps of bandwidth constantly, they wlll start charging more for the bandwidth or they will just fire you as a customer, which they can.

Also, as far as I know, Andy provides this all for free. Yes you can pay 5 bux and get into VIP early or you can post 750 NON FILLER POSTS and do it that way too. 10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish.


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 PostPost subject: Re: FTP and Account Deletion Rules        Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:12 am 
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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.

The reason why there is a password for the FTP, is what everyone has said above, AND if there was no password, everyone would just download all they want, and contributing nothing, or leeching. And some will contribute in a negative way, such as posting viruses, posting spam, flaming, etc. Basically, nothing is free, 10 contributing posts is not hard at all, and stop acting like a greedy teenager regardless of whether you are one or not.


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I have to chuckle at the whole poll thing.
Andy's Forum, Andy's Server and Andy's rules.
BA is not a democracy, the rules aren't up for discussion.
You don't like the rules, go suck eggs.


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The rule has to stay, The last thing we want is the server to be shut down by @&*#%& Microsoft.

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The rules are fair and there to protect what Andy and other contributers have provided. Also the upload account would probably end up full of warez porn and god knows what the pirates feel like dumbing on it. BA is free of all that stuff and thats why it's such a great place.


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I have to chuckle at the whole poll thing.
Andy's Forum, Andy's Server and Andy's rules.
BA is not a democracy, the rules aren't up for discussion.
You don't like the rules, go suck eggs.


That doesn't mean members can't come with input... BA isn't a dictatorship either, but Andy knows what he is doing and BA can't turn around and rebuild itself every time someone comes up with an idea. If any member has an issue or comment about the rules talk to Andy. If he likes the idea he'll run it by the rest of us I am sure.

Changes for the better should be made, but not at the cost of risking the entire site because of leeching or other abuse.

And I agree with Andy and the others that commented about the need of the FTP password and contributing posts, if you browse the forum you quickly see why we need the contributing posts - a lot of new people barging right in asking for stuff before they even said hello. If they had access to the FTP from the start they wouldn't even bother to post anything on the forum, they would simply strip the FTP for every file without thinking twice about it.

Personally I would even advocate for an INCREASE of contributing post before getting access to the FTP. But there has to be a balance, and I let Andy decide what's best.

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I have read things before where says for example, someone falls ill, and they end up trapped in hospital for the rest of the year, and by the time they are able to get back to their PC, they find all of their online accounts for things like email, forums etc are deleted. :(

I used to regularly go on www.thehotfix.net, and had an account, but they changed the style of the website, and even though it is the same, except with a different style, I found I could no longer login to the website anymore! :cry:

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I agree with every post so far except the first and squidward_'s.

Did you read the part where Andy says that only users with zero posts get deleted?


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Microsoft doesn't bother you? I find that surprising, because a lot of people got sued for keeping Whistler Betas up :P I know that bandwidth cost money. Hmm. I only partially agree with those rules.


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Microsoft doesn't bother you? I find that surprising, because a lot of people got sued for keeping Whistler Betas up :P I know that bandwidth cost money. Hmm. I only partially agree with those rules.


They leave us alone because we respect the fact these files can't just be given to anyone, so we keep it to a group of people who know what they're talking about and have earned the right to access such files.

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And I appreciate the fact that you give us access. :) Before I discovered this website, I was looking here, there and everywhere on Google on how to get stuff like Longhorn builds and old apps.

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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


OK well all the points I would have made have been stated so I'm just going to smack you around with a clue-by-four for a few hours instead.

Keep in mind:

Andy leases his server. He can't add hard disks at will and thus he pays for the amount of space he needs. If he maxes out what he has on useless garbage it costs him more.

Andy has his server in a datacenter, for children who don't know what those are, there homes for servers, ie: there's big providers that push a lot of bandwidth into the building which is available for use by their customers, at a price. If Andy pushes out 3000GB a month it's roughly a 10mbps link. While some providers will say you have an unmetered line, it's NOT REALLY UNMETERED, thus if you start using 100mbps of bandwidth constantly, they wlll start charging more for the bandwidth or they will just fire you as a customer, which they can.

Also, as far as I know, Andy provides this all for free. Yes you can pay 5 bux and get into VIP early or you can post 750 NON FILLER POSTS and do it that way too. 10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish.


He runs servers in his home ?!

I could never figure out how to do that.

"10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish" selfish?!?!

Selfish doesn't mean disagreeing with the rules.
It doesn't mean not agreeing.
There no rules saying you must agree with the rules - you just have to follow them.
If I was selfish I wouldn't be helping betaarchive - I would just be using the info, and not contributing!


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motherboardlove wrote:
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motherboardlove wrote:
I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


OK well all the points I would have made have been stated so I'm just going to smack you around with a clue-by-four for a few hours instead.

Keep in mind:

Andy leases his server. He can't add hard disks at will and thus he pays for the amount of space he needs. If he maxes out what he has on useless garbage it costs him more.

Andy has his server in a datacenter, for children who don't know what those are, there homes for servers, ie: there's big providers that push a lot of bandwidth into the building which is available for use by their customers, at a price. If Andy pushes out 3000GB a month it's roughly a 10mbps link. While some providers will say you have an unmetered line, it's NOT REALLY UNMETERED, thus if you start using 100mbps of bandwidth constantly, they wlll start charging more for the bandwidth or they will just fire you as a customer, which they can.

Also, as far as I know, Andy provides this all for free. Yes you can pay 5 bux and get into VIP early or you can post 750 NON FILLER POSTS and do it that way too. 10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish.


He runs servers in his home ?!

I could never figure out how to do that.

"10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish" selfish?!?!

Selfish doesn't mean disagreeing with the rules.
It doesn't mean not agreeing.
There no rules saying you must agree with the rules - you just have to follow them.
If I was selfish I wouldn't be helping betaarchive - I would just be using the info, and not contributing!

Indeed Andy ran BA from his servers at his house, i do.

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Am I being dense or does it say "DATACENTER" up there?


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Am I being dense or does it say "DATACENTER" up there?


I think both people confused the OP bringing this up...

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Doesn't mean its at my house, but yes I did run BA at home for the first year (ish) of its life. It is now hosted in a datacenter, and has been there for 1 year 4 months now...

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Am I being dense or does it say "DATACENTER" up there?


I think both people confused the OP bringing this up...

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Doesn't mean its at my house, but yes I did run BA at home for the first year (ish) of its life. It is now hosted in a datacenter, and has been there for 1 year 4 months now...


The person who wroted "There are homes for servers" meant that the DATACENTER was a home for servers.

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Andy wrote:
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Am I being dense or does it say "DATACENTER" up there?


I think both people confused the OP bringing this up...

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There are homes for servers


Doesn't mean its at my house, but yes I did run BA at home for the first year (ish) of its life. It is now hosted in a datacenter, and has been there for 1 year 4 months now...


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I wonder what OS BA's Servers run.....


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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


OK well all the points I would have made have been stated so I'm just going to smack you around with a clue-by-four for a few hours instead.

Keep in mind:

Andy leases his server. He can't add hard disks at will and thus he pays for the amount of space he needs. If he maxes out what he has on useless garbage it costs him more.

Andy has his server in a datacenter, for children who don't know what those are, there homes for servers, ie: there's big providers that push a lot of bandwidth into the building which is available for use by their customers, at a price. If Andy pushes out 3000GB a month it's roughly a 10mbps link. While some providers will say you have an unmetered line, it's NOT REALLY UNMETERED, thus if you start using 100mbps of bandwidth constantly, they wlll start charging more for the bandwidth or they will just fire you as a customer, which they can.

Also, as far as I know, Andy provides this all for free. Yes you can pay 5 bux and get into VIP early or you can post 750 NON FILLER POSTS and do it that way too. 10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish.


He runs servers in his home ?!

I could never figure out how to do that.

"10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish" selfish?!?!

Selfish doesn't mean disagreeing with the rules.
It doesn't mean not agreeing.
There no rules saying you must agree with the rules - you just have to follow them.
If I was selfish I wouldn't be helping betaarchive - I would just be using the info, and not contributing!


apperantly you didn't get the clue the first time.

phpbb has this feature that I can search for all a users posts. I did that. On you. I found nothing that was worth even a cent.

and see agreeing to the rules is something you do not just here, but anywhere, when you register. it's obvious, it's just like software license agreements but then again you and other people think your oh-so-1337 by not following them.


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Zimmy wrote:
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I really don't see the point of deleting inactive accounts. From what I see, inactive account's data only take up a few KB of space. And another tule I really dont like is the FTP password rule. It requires you to have 10+ resonable posts or 750+ posts, and $5 donation. I dont get the point of that. Unless you have write, read, and delete priveliges, I don't see why everyone can't have the password.


OK well all the points I would have made have been stated so I'm just going to smack you around with a clue-by-four for a few hours instead.

Keep in mind:

Andy leases his server. He can't add hard disks at will and thus he pays for the amount of space he needs. If he maxes out what he has on useless garbage it costs him more.

Andy has his server in a datacenter, for children who don't know what those are, there homes for servers, ie: there's big providers that push a lot of bandwidth into the building which is available for use by their customers, at a price. If Andy pushes out 3000GB a month it's roughly a 10mbps link. While some providers will say you have an unmetered line, it's NOT REALLY UNMETERED, thus if you start using 100mbps of bandwidth constantly, they wlll start charging more for the bandwidth or they will just fire you as a customer, which they can.

Also, as far as I know, Andy provides this all for free. Yes you can pay 5 bux and get into VIP early or you can post 750 NON FILLER POSTS and do it that way too. 10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish.


He runs servers in his home ?!

I could never figure out how to do that.

"10 non-crap posts are NOT THAT HARD TO DO so quit being selfish" selfish?!?!

Selfish doesn't mean disagreeing with the rules.
It doesn't mean not agreeing.
There no rules saying you must agree with the rules - you just have to follow them.
If I was selfish I wouldn't be helping betaarchive - I would just be using the info, and not contributing!


apperantly you didn't get the clue the first time.

phpbb has this feature that I can search for all a users posts. I did that. On you. I found nothing that was worth even a cent.

and see agreeing to the rules is something you do not just here, but anywhere, when you register. it's obvious, it's just like software license agreements but then again you and other people think your oh-so-1337 by not following them.

Just leave it please.


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