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I like Vista SP1. I recently came to reinstalling my PC's OS, and I thought I'd try a number of alternatives. I tried OSx86, I tried a number of Linux Distros. But ultimately, I went with a Vista SP1 single-boot. Why? Because unlike no other OS for PC, it 'just works' and it does work well. I've not had a blue screen since December when I played with 3718 and DCE on a real PC.


Same as me. Since I got it I have had one BSOD, caused by something I did to it (can't remember what now) but its never done it since. SP1 makes one hell of a difference though thats for sure. And I agree with the "just works" comment. When I had a Mac, it worked for the most part but whenever I wanted to do something special, it just didn't want to play. I was much more comfortable with Windows, which is one of the reasons I got rid of it.

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Lol i havent updated my vista since i installed in midway through 07. Its just ran fine for me. All i got its a Pentium D 2.8ghz and 1 gb of ram. Ive had one BSOD when i tried running 4 games at once and overloaded it lol.

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Has this Thread heading changed? Seems quite a bit off topic for some time now.


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When I had a Mac, it worked for the most part but whenever I wanted to do something special, it just didn't want to play.

What do you mean by "special" things? I've got Leopard on my PC now and it "just works" (pretty much everything on it works perfectly) even though it's not a Mac! I just think it feels a really well polished OS that is really enjoyable (and fun) to use, while Vista always feels a little buggy and dull in comparison, even old-fashioned when I go straight from leopard to Vista on the same PC! All the software for it is really cool too, especially all the Apple programs (iLife, Aperture, Logic etc) that you can't get on Windows. Anyway, that's just me, this and Tiger on my real Mac have really got me into OS X even though I've used Windows for longer :)

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When I had a Mac, it worked for the most part but whenever I wanted to do something special, it just didn't want to play.

What do you mean by "special" things? I've got Leopard on my PC now and it "just works" (pretty much everything on it works perfectly) even though it's not a Mac! I just think it feels a really well polished OS that is really enjoyable (and fun) to use, while Vista always feels a little buggy and dull in comparison, even old-fashioned when I go straight from leopard to Vista on the same PC! All the software for it is really cool too, especially all the Apple programs (iLife, Aperture, Logic etc) that you can't get on Windows. Anyway, that's just me, this and Tiger on my real Mac have really got me into OS X even though I've used Windows for longer :)


Special as in running programs not native to Mac OS X... E.G. Office...

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Mac Office 2008 works fine for me :S What do you mean by not "native"? - all Mac software is native to the OS, whether or not it's written by Apple.

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Mac Office 2008 works fine for me :S What do you mean by not "native"? - all Mac software is native to the OS, whether or not it's written by Apple.


By native I meant written specifically for mac, not ported, like office is. Its not rewritten completely for mac, its simply ported, like a linux port of a program to windows. Because of this I lost my faith in macs.

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I don't think the Mac Office is especially "ported" from the Windows one, the Mac team at MS has always been separate to those who write the Windows side. Some of the Office programs actually came out on Mac several years before they were made for Windows too. What was the problem you had with it anyway? I'm not criticising you or anything, I'm just not sure you gave OS X enough of a chance and can't understand how your experience could have been so different to mine when you actually had the system it was designed to run on and I don't!

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I don't think the Mac Office is especially "ported" from the Windows one, the Mac team at MS has always been separate to those who write the Windows side. Some of the Office programs actually came out on Mac several years before they were made for Windows too. What was the problem you had with it anyway? I'm not criticising you or anything, I'm just not sure you gave OS X enough of a chance and can't understand how your experience could have been so different to mine when you actually had the system it was designed to run on and I don't!


The problems? Well where shall I begin...

1. Consistent system lockups for no reason; The system would fail to respond to anything for up to a minute at a time, then suddenly spring back to life as if nothing had happened.

2. Slow programs; Office for one. It would take about 2 minutes to load, and then a further 2 minutes before you could type anything, let alone random lockups. The same with Photoshop.

3. Boot camp completely refusing point blank to run Windows. I must have tried on no less than 30 occasions to get it working. It worked once but then failed with a BSOD after a reboot, never to work again. It was always HAL.DLL the BSOD referred to.


However, I did like some features of the mac:

1. Its very intelligent two finger scroll system. I loved it. I want that as standard on all my laptops!

2. The print screen that snapshots straight to the desktop with no external program needed.

3. The supreme battery life. I managed 5.2hours once.

4. Seamless program installation. A must for any operating system.


Unfortunately you can't have everything in one package, so it seems.

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I think your Mac must have been faulty then (or could have needed a fresh OS installation, though the HAL thing is a very strong suggestion of hardware problems if it's a known-good Windows disc), my Leopard has not crashed once and is always super-smooth (very rarely see the spinning beachball) and Office and CS3 take a few seconds to load (10 seconds or so I think), and that's on a homebuilt PC that's not even meant to work at all with it.

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I think your Mac must have been faulty then (or could have needed a fresh OS installation, though the HAL thing is a very strong suggestion of hardware problems if it's a known-good Windows disc), my Leopard has not crashed once and is always super-smooth (very rarely see the spinning beachball) and Office and CS3 take a few seconds to load (10 seconds or so I think), and that's on a homebuilt PC that's not even meant to work at all with it.


You could be right, but who knows. I'm going to try OSx86 soon anyway. The hardware I have is better than the mac I had anyway so we shall see...

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I thunk that the people with the betas feel special and they can teel everyone they know that "I have whatever beta."


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As mentioned before, I think it's not an issue if you want to keep something unleaked for personal reasons.

However, I'd like to add, that if you plan to do that, and can't share any useful information/screenshots about the build, do everyone a favour and keep it to yourself. People who tease people with builds, or screenshots of the ISOs, etc, are just asking for all the hatred they get. A lot of people do share useful information, like Grabberslasher with UXUnleaked. Others do generally keep things to themselves, but please, if you have something unleaked, and you can't share any information that hasn't been shared, or provide screenshots that show something genuinely new, don't bother to boast to those around you. It's that sort of people that attract all the negativity attached to people with unleaked stuff.

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Andy, actually, Microsoft Office was once a Mac-exclusive back in the 80s, but in 1990, Microsoft ported Office to the Windows platform. So Technically, MS Office isnt a native Windows app. it is a native Mac app ported to Windows. :-)

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if you have something unleaked, and you can't share any information that hasn't been shared, or provide screenshots that show something genuinely new, don't bother to boast to those around you.


this should be a new rule here on BA. And doing this should result in a warning and when repeating this it should result in a ban!

If you can't talk about it shut up!

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Andy, actually, Microsoft Office was once a Mac-exclusive back in the 80s, but in 1990, Microsoft ported Office to the Windows platform. So Technically, MS Office isnt a native Windows app. it is a native Mac app ported to Windows. :-)

Maybe we should get ontopic here eh? :wink:


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3. Boot camp completely refusing point blank to run Windows. I must have tried on no less than 30 occasions to get it working. It worked once but then failed with a BSOD after a reboot, never to work again. It was always HAL.DLL the BSOD referred to.

Which version of Boot Camp did you use? If you used a beta on Tiger, you're not supposed to format the drive during the Windows install.

If you used the Leopard Boot Camp, you are supposed to format the drive. Confusing, I know, but I had the same issue once upon a time.

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3. Boot camp completely refusing point blank to run Windows. I must have tried on no less than 30 occasions to get it working. It worked once but then failed with a BSOD after a reboot, never to work again. It was always HAL.DLL the BSOD referred to.

Which version of Boot Camp did you use? If you used a beta on Tiger, you're not supposed to format the drive during the Windows install.

If you used the Leopard Boot Camp, you are supposed to format the drive. Confusing, I know, but I had the same issue once upon a time.


Leopard. I DID format it with the Windows formatting tool. Same problem. It worked once but kept BSOD'ing whenever I tried to install the Mac drivers and tools.

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3. Boot camp completely refusing point blank to run Windows. I must have tried on no less than 30 occasions to get it working. It worked once but then failed with a BSOD after a reboot, never to work again. It was always HAL.DLL the BSOD referred to.

Which version of Boot Camp did you use? If you used a beta on Tiger, you're not supposed to format the drive during the Windows install.

If you used the Leopard Boot Camp, you are supposed to format the drive. Confusing, I know, but I had the same issue once upon a time.


Leopard. I DID format it with the Windows formatting tool. Same problem. It worked once but kept BSOD'ing whenever I tried to install the Mac drivers and tools.

Did you format it as NTFS or FAT?

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3. Boot camp completely refusing point blank to run Windows. I must have tried on no less than 30 occasions to get it working. It worked once but then failed with a BSOD after a reboot, never to work again. It was always HAL.DLL the BSOD referred to.

Which version of Boot Camp did you use? If you used a beta on Tiger, you're not supposed to format the drive during the Windows install.

If you used the Leopard Boot Camp, you are supposed to format the drive. Confusing, I know, but I had the same issue once upon a time.


Leopard. I DID format it with the Windows formatting tool. Same problem. It worked once but kept BSOD'ing whenever I tried to install the Mac drivers and tools.

Did you format it as NTFS or FAT?


I tried both. Got the same result.

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Totally off topic lol

Did you get the right drivers?


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Totally off topic lol

Did you get the right drivers?

You don't need drivers to get it installed. Only for after the installation for graphics, audio, ethernet, wireless, bluetooth, etc.

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Andy, actually, Microsoft Office was once a Mac-exclusive back in the 80s, but in 1990, Microsoft ported Office to the Windows platform. So Technically, MS Office isnt a native Windows app. it is a native Mac app ported to Windows. :-)


Not correct. Microsoft Word was "invented" in 1983. Undoubtably written by Microsoft. As there was then no such program as "Office" or "Windows", it was ported with a bundle which, I think I remember (Yes- I was actually using it together with the dos word processor - Wordstar), included DBase4.
Later in the eighties, Windows came along and the primaries of the package we know today as Microsoft Office was introduced for Windows.


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Totally off topic lol

Did you get the right drivers?

You don't need drivers to get it installed. Only for after the installation for graphics, audio, ethernet, wireless, bluetooth, etc.

I know, from I see, he means after the installation, if he tries to install the drivers, he gets BSOD'd


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Totally off topic lol

Did you get the right drivers?

You don't need drivers to get it installed. Only for after the installation for graphics, audio, ethernet, wireless, bluetooth, etc.

I know, from I see, he means after the installation, if he tries to install the drivers, he gets BSOD'd


The drivers were from the Mac disk, so yes, they were correct.

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