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 PostPost subject: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:09 am 
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Until further notice the current build of Windows 10 (10.0.10240) has been given a sharing restriction status on BetaArchive. This build will be considered as "warez" and will not be permitted to be shared or linked to, and any breach of this protocol will be dealt with appropriately. This means no requests, shares or links will be permitted. Uploads will as usual be allowed but the upload will not be published on the FTP until a newer "final RTM" build is released or until the product reaches EoL.

If and when Microsoft releases a new "final RTM" build then 10.0.10240 will be permitted again onto the FTP.

This applies to all materials and SKUs concerning this build, including ISOs, ESDs, SDKs, update files and any kind of development tools.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:11 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:41 am 
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Technically speaking all the builds from now on will be post-RTM (comercial or insider preview).
Also this build in particular will be recompiled in winmain branch with small or almost no modifications, so the comercial build will be 99% this build

However the future insider preview builds will be comercial candidates with probably small version modification.
Random example:
10300.0 (insider) -> 1300.168xx (comercial)

In conclusion no further builds can be added to the archive, unfortunately


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:47 am 
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They can once they become abandonware, or if they become betas with license restrictions. MS has already announced a 10 year EoL on this as well.

And frankly, we don't know how MS is going to do the upgrades in the long run, it's all just speculation at this point.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:53 am 
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Well, Windows 10 will never be abandonware, as it is distributed as a service and not as X year lifetime cycle (as previous versions were rolled out)


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:34 pm 
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Actually Windows 10 has been set a life cycle to October 14 2025. Which is quite natural considering that MS can't build on the same core for all eternity, and eventually Microsoft has to draw a line where they say "we won't support it further than this". I also doubt "Windows 10" is the last and final version. As technology in platform design, operating systems and other tech develops there will be a need for re-design and enough changes to warrant a new version.

Remember, nothing is set in stone. Microsoft may have abolished the regular 2-3 year OS cycle, they may have abolished the regular service packs, but that doesn't mean they have abolished any kind of versioning. Windows 10 will meet its end of life eventually and replaced with something newer. If you think about it nothing has really changed except how Microsoft labels it all. Build numbers will still increase (as they always did with official service packs), features will be added or removed (as they always did with service packs and updates, think Windows XP SP1 and SP2 specifically), and major distributions of newer ISOs and USB installation sticks will still be compiled and distributed (through MSDN, Technet, stores etc) since Microsoft won't force people to apply ~1-10 years of cumulative updates. So in the end, nothing changes except that MS decided to stop labeling it "Service Pack" or whatever. But updates will still come, new distributions will still roll out, and in the end Microsoft will make the decision to jump from Windows 10 to the next big thing once Windows 10 becomes too cumbersome to fix and upgrade. Of course within a much longer time span than before but it will still happen as before.

Information about the life cycle of Microsoft Windows, including Windows 10.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:39 pm 
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How would you consider updates then?
Like the Current Branch , Current Branch for Business , Long Time support etc.

Since there is a time limit(for businesses and Pro users) which they much upgrade by to avoid losing support , so how would you consider these updates in the overall lifecycle of Windows 10?

And if these updates become available in downloadable form , would you add them in the FTP 10 years later(as their support period would be comparably quite short) just like any other Windows Service Pack/update?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:50 pm 
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Well updates are updates. Microsoft will still bump the internal build number as I doubt they will keep 10.0.10240.16384 for 10 years. That would be just be a very bad move for Microsoft. Every now and then they will push out a new major feature or fix for Windows 10 which will bump up the revision number. It will still be called "Windows 10" but it will be newer. And if we know Microsoft right there will also be betas of these, hopefully with a limited license model for testers, which means we can distribute it on BetaArchive as well.

Updates themselves will most likely not be added to BetaArchive, but rather the major full incremental builds. But just as with Windows XP those builds won't end up on BA until the whole product has gone out of support, which means at the moment no earlier than October 14 2025. And then, as with Windows XP etc, we will roll out only the build that has passed 10 years and is out of support, no newer builds (as with Windows Server 2003 SP2, XP SP3 and so on that are not yet shared here).

So people, in the end nothing has changed except the time span of the releases. 10 years is a very long time as well, which means Microsoft may very well change their stance on how they deal with cumulative updates, distributed ISOs etc too. But from what I see today it's still the same as before but without the official release designations such as Service Release, Service Pack, R2 and so on and so forth.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:23 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:32 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:48 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:48 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:12 am 
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They didn't ditch Windows 8 yet since it's still supported and updated until 2023...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:36 am 
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This Windows as a Service has 2 major implications (and of course one is very good and the other very bad):

1. From the IT experts point of view - this is a great thing due to the updates distribution and integration in the OS

In details that means no 100 updates to download each time the user installs the OS, just install the latest ISO (or download it via WU) and that's that.
Also in the case of download via WU, the user has to remember to do a Disk Cleanup after, to delete the previous installation build

2. From the point of view of untrained eyes of everyday users - it is as bad as it can get

It will create a lot of confusion, simply because many users won't be able to make the difference between the RTM and an build released 2, 6 or 18 months later. It is very possible.
Also 90% of them will disable WU (simply because they think they don't need that and don't understand the importance of updates) - which will make them vulnerable and deny them the access to any new feature / improvements that MS makes to the OS.
And more important than this if something still doesn't work properly in RTM (example: EDGE) or they think that the UI is very hard for them (cause they are used to the UI of XP or 7) they will refuse to install it and stick to 7 .
And that is the recipe for epic fail.

P.S. I heard something about a Windows Cloud to be released some 5 years later (or something)


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2. From the point of view of untrained eyes of everyday users - it is as bad as it can get
Also 90% of them will disable WU (simply because they think they don't need that and don't understand the importance of updates) - which will make them vulnerable and deny them the access to any new feature / improvements that MS makes to the OS.

The fact is that almost all home users would not need to worry about updates because they cannot disable them.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:49 pm 
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madalin88 wrote:
2. From the point of view of untrained eyes of everyday users - it is as bad as it can get
Also 90% of them will disable WU (simply because they think they don't need that and don't understand the importance of updates) - which will make them vulnerable and deny them the access to any new feature / improvements that MS makes to the OS.

The fact is that almost all home users would not need to worry about updates because they cannot disable them.


Well they should be worried about broken updates, which MS is well known for releasing.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:43 am 
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mrpijey wrote:
They didn't ditch Windows 8 yet since it's still supported and updated until 2023...


Well, all apps in the Windows Store in Windows 8.0 will only work for Windows 8.1 as of January 2016, as far as I am concerned.

The core of Windows 8.0 will still function properly as a regular OS.


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Yes, but considering the update to 8.1 is free that shouldn't be much of a problem.

Also, it seems .16384 is indeed the final RTM, once MS officially releases the ISOs I will compare them to the "betas" I prepared for BA, and most likely scrap them as they are the same version and build as MS official ones.

So any restrictions on sharing .10240.16384 still applies until it becomes abandonware!

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:57 pm 
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I'd sure as heck like to know why there's no problem serving this one then.
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:20 pm 
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Battler wrote:
- Lukas Marsik: Because that's not the RTM. Windows 7 RTM is 6.1.7600.16385.
It's as much of an RTM as 10240.16384 is.


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If they are the same then tell me, did Microsoft increment it by one just for funs? Maybe they were restless?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:40 pm 
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mrpijey wrote:
If they are the same then tell me, did Microsoft increment it by one just for funs? Maybe they were restless?
Nowhere have I stated that 7600.16384 and 7600.16385 are the same. I've said that 10240.16384 is as much of an RTM as 7600.16384 could be considered one. Microsoft themselves have subtly denied that the build we have is not the same revision as we'll get on the 29th of July. Don't you think it's a bit weird that there would be no WDK for the RTM build?

Also, nice arrogance in those questions. Really good.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 10 (10.0.10240) sharing restrictions!        Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:41 pm 
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You know that, anybody who wants a "free copy" of Windows 10 can just sign up for the Insider program. And no, they don't need to submit any bugs.
They don't need to get it via torrents or cracks or whatever.
So what's the big deal if they get it by signing up to BA as well?


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6000.16385 was removed from the BA FTP for being warez.

Of course, I do note that it appears to have snook back onto the FTP, just mislabelled as 5840.16385
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