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 PostPost subject: Re: Concerning "cracks"        Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Well, what if we got a 20 year old app, and the only way to activate it, is by using this kind of software. The crack can also be abandonware, old, outdated.

Still illegal.

Am I allowed to use a 20 year old program that had been used to hack a DOS system in order to hack a modern, current DOS system?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Concerning "cracks"        Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:07 am 
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Cracking software will always be illegal regardless the way its done. The crackers always know what they are getting into regardless the legality is not questionable as there are always consequences for peoples actions. Last time I checked though the forum rules were straight no cracks, warez, etc.

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The simple reason we don't use cracks, keygens or serials here is because the purpose of BA isn't to provide you with an illegal way to run RTM software. If it were we would have included all kinds of stuff for you to activate and fully use the software. We gather old software here for the means of preservation - both for those that do have a legal copy but perhaps a scratched up disc or demagnetized floppy, but also for historical reasons. But we draw the line at providing license information - or means to bypass licenses. And until a general ruling comes along saying that people have the right to legally and fully use outdated software we will not provide any cracks, serials, keygens or patches that in any way bypasses the natural copy/license protections.

The only software here that comes with serials are betas, these are for the most part time limited (which is also why we don't allow timebombs) and they are also incomplete and defunct so they are of little value to the developer once the final product is out.

And in the end _we_ (being me and Andy) decide what's OK or not on BA. If we want to take the plunge and allow cracks then we'll do it. If we decided that any software titles beginning with the letter "Q" is to be completely banned (we all know Andy is afraid of apps beginning with Q :D ) then it will be so regardless of what other sites think and do.

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What would happen if there was an unreleased beta, where the only copy available had the timebomb (as in expiration date) removed? Would it have to be somehow added back in from the closest build in the releaser's collection for it to be made available here?

I understand that obviously, if it's possible to remove the timebombs, it's also possible to add them back in.


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We try to always get the unpatched/original version but if a patched version is the only one we got then we'll accept it, I'll add a readme inside then saying it's a modified version. And as soon as an unmodified version comes along it will replace the patched one.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Concerning "cracks"        Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Agreed. Cracking software is illegal, no matter which way it is done. The forum rules clearly state this. Period.

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You guys hack/crack software. Windows 8 Consumer Preview Build 8250 is missing Timebomb. I left it on all night for a Minecraft Server.

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You guys hack/crack software. Windows 8 Consumer Preview Build 8250 is missing Timebomb. I left it on all night for a Minecraft Server.

No we don't. Windows 8 M3 up to Release Preview has got broken timebomb.
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Could you tell me, why are you using a pre-release OS for running a server software?
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@AlphaBeta, you got it wrong :P
All M2 builds and 8400 have broken timebomb, M1, M3, DP and CP have the timebomb fully functional, the Debug version of CP however doesn't have any

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@AlphaBeta, you got it wrong :P
All M2 builds and 8400 have broken timebomb, M1, M3, DP and CP have the timebomb fully functional, the Debug version of CP however doesn't have any

Thanks for correcting me :P I knew that some builds have broken timebomb, but didn't know what builds :D

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If what zacb says is true, then why does my copy of Windows 8 Consumer Preview Build 8250 NOT have a proper and set timebomb?
Except that someone messed with it?

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I would like to add something to this. Working in the vintage computing world, that is computers that are 20+ years old, some of the original games, that ran on the original IBM PC and XT, were such that the disks themselves were altered sector by sector, to prevent simple copying of the game, so you couldn't even make a backup, which was, and i believe still legal for software. If you wanted a back you, you either had to buy a second copy, or copy the disk, and alter the specific sectors to make it work. While that is cracking, it in self was not illegal, as most of the time the copy was never distributed around, and you had your legal backup. I believe this is a gray area for hacking / cracking, and existed in a lot of CD-ROM titles and i believe is still used. I'm not saying i support piracy, heavens no. I am just stating for quite a few software titles it is quite convoluted. If some of those older titles are copy-protected in such a way, we can download them, but how can we use them?


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By today laws it would be illegal to even make personal backups of those if there was a copy protection in place. The only way to make copies of these properly with everything intact would be by the use of a kryoflux device (or similar) since it can capture the sectors just as they are without modification. But either way we won't distribute cracks for these games. You would either have to find an already cracked version of it, or find a tool that can crack it for you. Neither would be available here.

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I miss the days when print magazines or BBSes would and could openly print patches and unprotects. Just open debug to suchandsuch address and type in 90 90 90 here... Freedom of speech trumped everything. Although they did risk losing advertising dollars from software companies.

All too often, applying an unprotect was the only way a paying customer could actually USE the software they just purchased. That "protected" 5.25" floppy software you just bought won't run from B:, but only wants to run from the A: drive, which happens to be your fancy new 3.5" drive. And forget about running it from your expensive new-fangled hard drive...

It is an interesting conundrum really. To truly, fully preserve the history of a software title may sometimes require archiving third party information such as published tips, tutorials, reviews, and even unprotects.

A matter of perspective, I suppose. One can choose just to preserve raw media, or preserve enough that others can poke around and experience the software for themselves.

Either way, such historic preservation runs afoul of the desires of the big modern megacorps and the laws that they have purchased.

Of course the bottom line is it is Mrpijey's collection, so he will include or exclude whatever he wants :p


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I miss the days when print magazines or BBSes would and could openly print patches and unprotects. Just open debug to suchandsuch address and type in 90 90 90 here... Freedom of speech trumped everything. Although they did risk losing advertising dollars from software companies.

All too often, applying an unprotect was the only way a paying customer could actually USE the software they just purchased. That "protected" 5.25" floppy software you just bought won't run from B:, but only wants to run from the A: drive, which happens to be your fancy new 3.5" drive. And forget about running it from your expensive new-fangled hard drive...

It is an interesting conundrum really. To truly, fully preserve the history of a software title may sometimes require archiving third party information such as published tips, tutorials, reviews, and even unprotects.

A matter of perspective, I suppose. One can choose just to preserve raw media, or preserve enough that others can poke around and experience the software for themselves.

Either way, such historic preservation runs afoul of the desires of the big modern megacorps and the laws that they have purchased.

Of course the bottom line is it is Mrpijey's collection, so he will include or exclude whatever he wants :p

We at BetaArchive try our best to keep companies from trying to sue us or shut us down via whatever law they may try and use.

However, there is nothing stopping you from collecting patches, unprotects, and other workarounds and publishing them on your own site, or finding another host that cares less about avoiding legal trouble, and more about being, for example, a MEGA file host. It is a great thing to preserve, but we'd rather stay out of all the muddy legal waters.

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I miss the days when print magazines or BBSes would and could openly print patches and unprotects. Just open debug to suchandsuch address and type in 90 90 90 here... Freedom of speech trumped everything. Although they did risk losing advertising dollars from software companies.

Well, technically BA wouldn't have any issues with that. We wouldn't give out any ready cracks ourselves, we merely tell people how to do it themselves. Of course it would require some skills with a hex editor or disassembler, but it would be just information. No easy executables, no patches, just info. But despite the fact that we DO have "warez" here (by the common definition) we try to not invoke the Wrath Of Doom from the Big Ones so we don't make it easy to use the copy protected software that we have here. We are after all primary a site dedicated for preservation, but what you do with it once you got it onto your drive is your business. So feel free to collect whatever cracks and patches you want, just don't share it with us or tell us where to get it.

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I miss the days when print magazines or BBSes would and could openly print patches and unprotects. Just open debug to suchandsuch address and type in 90 90 90 here... Freedom of speech trumped everything. Although they did risk losing advertising dollars from software companies.

Well, technically BA wouldn't have any issues with that. We wouldn't give out any ready cracks ourselves, we merely tell people how to do it themselves. Of course it would require some skills with a hex editor or disassembler, but it would be just information. No easy executables, no patches, just info. But despite the fact that we DO have "warez" here (by the common definition) we try to not invoke the Wrath Of Doom from the Big Ones so we don't make it easy to use the copy protected software that we have here. We are after all primary a site dedicated for preservation, but what you do with it once you got it onto your drive is your business. So feel free to collect whatever cracks and patches you want, just don't share it with us or tell us where to get it.
What if the software company was out of business (as in, completely out of business, and not anything to do with being purchased by another company)?

Also, some software used copy protection schemes which involve taking words from manuals, the latter of which should also be preserved here since this site tries to preserve the original manuals also. In that case, would the manuals still be made available to everyone, or would that change the situation?


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Someone always own the copyright, so there's always someone that can cause a fuss. It's unlikely, but even with 1% risk there's always 1 out of 100 that bites the dust.

If the copy protection is manual based then I don't see any issue. The manuals will be scanned for preservation of course, but there are no "cracks" involved since the software is not modified in any way, and there's no personal license (i.e serial number etc) tied to it as it's an identical manual that comes with every copy. In any situation where you have to give out a personal code (serial etc) or modify the software to make it run it will be rejected, in any other case it will be accepted. Kryoflux dumps for example preserve the copy protection, so that's fine since nothing is modified. A scanned manual is also fine since nothing is modified with either, nor personalised in any way.

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I'd like to add to this.

Title IV of the DMCA has 6 provisions, one of which is this (a direct, unmodified excerpt from a summary posted online by the US government):
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(section 1201(d)). The prohibition on the act of circumvention of
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BetaArchive is not a company or private organization. BetaArchive could be considered an archive. (I'm such a genius) For what BA is doing, it is protected under the DMCA. Now, doing this to RTM software is a different story. But for Windows Longhorn build 3560.randomnumber0011.1234 and it has a serial number, which no one has, and wont function without a serial number at all, modifying it so that way it will function without it is legal under the DMCA.

However, in the legal sense, downloading software that you're supposed pay for, for free, or in other words pirating it is unfortunately illegal. But, I don't think MS will care if your playing with an older Windows Chicago build, as its old, its not supported, and its an incomplete beta. You are not hurting their company by downloading/pirating it, whether it be once, or 20,000 times. If you say, downloaded Windows 8 Pro 20,000 times (and certainly more than that, I have a feeling that lots more people have pirated it) for free, then MS will probably be pissed off, since its kind of alot of money to loose if it got downloaded for free 20,000+ times.

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Remember that DMCA isn't valid across the globe. If you want to be really strict neither BA or its owner (Andy) needs to comply with DMCA which is an american invention. So if we want to be 100% legal then we need to follow the British or German laws. But we won't be 100% legal considering the content we carry :). From a legal point of view we can't even redistribute public betas without explicit permission from Microsoft. So following DMCA is the least of our "problems" anyway :). Remember also that we don't follow any general rules of guidelines when it comes to warez, betas and abandonware, we have decided on a policy here on BA and that's what we follow, regardless of what other sites chose to follow.

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You do realise that from an absolute legal point of view 99.9% of all our software is pirated don't you? However most companies don't bother doing anything against spreading of old and outdated software that has absolutely no profit margins for them...

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You do realise that from an absolute legal point of view 99.9% of all our software is pirated don't you? However most companies don't bother doing anything against spreading of old and outdated software that has absolutely no profit margins for them...


For some reason you just made me remember Underground-Gamer's demise. (anyone who doesn't know about it, look it up) It's not like the company themselves cared, just some losers who got paid per DMCA... I fear that if our ftp list got opened to the public (as is the plan, so new members know what we have so doesn't upload a dupe of something we already have a proper dumo of) we'd just open ourselves up to that kind of thing... albeit we could just robots.txt disallow it..

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You do realise that from an absolute legal point of view 99.9% of all our software is pirated don't you? However most companies don't bother doing anything against spreading of old and outdated software that has absolutely no profit margins for them...


For some reason you just made me remember Underground-Gamer's demise. (anyone who doesn't know about it, look it up) It's not like the company themselves cared, just some losers who got paid per DMCA... I fear that if our ftp list got opened to the public (as is the plan, so new members know what we have so doesn't upload a dupe of something we already have a proper dumo of) we'd just open ourselves up to that kind of thing... albeit we could just robots.txt disallow it..

I'm not too sure considering that they used Bittorrent as their tracker...


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You do realise that from an absolute legal point of view 99.9% of all our software is pirated don't you? However most companies don't bother doing anything against spreading of old and outdated software that has absolutely no profit margins for them...


For some reason you just made me remember Underground-Gamer's demise. (anyone who doesn't know about it, look it up) It's not like the company themselves cared, just some losers who got paid per DMCA... I fear that if our ftp list got opened to the public (as is the plan, so new members know what we have so doesn't upload a dupe of something we already have a proper dumo of) we'd just open ourselves up to that kind of thing... albeit we could just robots.txt disallow it..

I'm not too sure considering that they used Bittorrent as their tracker...


What's wrong with bittorrent? It's just a protocol for transferring files via peer-to-peer methods...

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