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 PostPost subject: Contributions changes (Revised)        Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:14 pm 
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Hello all,

Due to feedback from the previous topic, we have decided to make some changes to the requirements which are listed below:

- There is no longer a minimum post count required.
- Users will be required to make a minimum of 1 properly archived release to get FTP access.


However, to be fair to users who registered recently, this will apply from Monday 28th July. Until then the current 10 posts with no unique release will apply.

Since BetaArchive is a preservation community, we feel this is what we should be focusing on rather than post count. If we were to focus on post count we feel this could lead to more spam, off-topic posts and less effort put into posts that could be more detailed. Removing this requirement in theory should improve the post quality.

All files will be checked for authenticity by mrpijey before access is granted. We will also provide a means of seeing what the archive currently holds so you do not upload duplicate material.

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To have your contribution accepted the following criteria has to be met:

1. The software has to be properly dumped using recommended software:
     Floppy: Raw image using WinImage, dd or similar software producing an img/ima file. [guide coming soon] If you have a KryoFlux device (or similiar) a stream dump will be preferred.
     CD/DVD: Alcohol 120%, CloneCD or CloneDVD. [Guide]

2. You have to provide photographic evidence that the software is original:
     Where possible, provide unaltered full high resolution scans of the media, packaging, covers and additional material (preferred) [Guide]
     Produce a high quality photo of the original product to prove it is original.

3. You need to properly name the release with full title, version, year of manufacturing and language (where known).
     Any additional information should be added into an additional textfile. Example: Microsoft Windows 3.1 (3.10.103) (1992-03-10) [English].

4. All material must be compressed into an archive file before upload.
     RAR and 7z are acceptable archive formats. Use at least 1% recovery record in case of bit errors during upload.

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Quick instruction on FTP access application:

1. Prepare your contribution(s).

2. Upload to FTP.

3. Apply for FTP access.

You will be notified per PM if your contribution was accepted or rejected.

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All uploads will be checked and accepted or rejected at our discretion and judgement. You may provide as many additional contributions as you wish. To increase the chance of your contribution being accepted be sure to make full scans as well as a proper dump with the preferred software (WinImage, Alcohol120%). Make sure your contribution is of some quality, shareware discs, driver discs and other less important titles will automatically be rejected. Contact mrpijey if you are in doubt.

Failure to complete the above requirements could mean your upload is rejected or your application delayed. If you have a question about an existing release or how to properly prepare your contribution be sure to contact mrpijey before you attempt your upload.

We hope this will lead to improvement in the community in respects of the types of posts we receive as well as us now looking for more files to add to our archive.

As always, questions and feedback is welcome.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Contributions changes (take 2)        Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:20 pm 
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I'd prefer the use of the read tab of rawwritewin rather than winimage. Mainly due to ease of use (choose read tab, select floppy drive, choose save location, click read).

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 PostPost subject: Re: Contributions changes (take 2)        Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:22 pm 
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Whatever works as long as it creates a proper raw image file of a floppy. WinImage has its usages too, such as batch operations etc.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Contributions changes (take 2)        Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:31 pm 
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Andy wrote:
2. You have to provide photographic evidence that the software is original:
     Where possible, provide unaltered full high resolution scans of the media, packaging, covers and additional material (preferred) [guide coming soon]
     Produce a photo of the original product to prove it is original.

I have an ISO of Borland C++ 5.02. It's complete and fully functional; I use it. But I don't remember where I got it, and I don't have any media or packaging. But you're saying you don't want that? Just asking, to be sure what you want / don't want ...


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If it's a better copy than what we have already then yes, it might be accepted. The goal here is to improve the collection, replace bad dumps with better ones, or add to them with new or better scanned artwork etc.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Contributions changes (take 2)        Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:37 pm 
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As WinImage, Alcohol 120%, CloneCD and CloneDVD are all commercial pieces of software, I have two questions:

As 'similar software' RawWriteWin floppy IMGs will be accepted, I assume? Already answered.
Will BIN/CUE (from ImgBurn, etc.) and NRG also be acceptable for DVD/CD dumps, as stated in mrpijeys Abandonware Guidelines?

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- Knuckx: I think BIN/CUE and NRG save less data than MDF/MDS, and that's why MDF/MDS is preferred.

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Knuckx wrote:
As WinImage, Alcohol 120%, CloneCD and CloneDVD are all commercial pieces of software, I have two questions:

As 'similar software' RawWriteWin floppy IMGs will be accepted, I assume? Already answered.
Will BIN/CUE (from ImgBurn, etc.) and NRG also be acceptable for DVD/CD dumps, as stated in mrpijeys Abandonware Guidelines?


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BTW Alcohol 120% has a freeware adware malware version.


Fixed that for you.

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BTW Alcohol 120% has a freeware adware malware version.


Fixed that for you.


If you are not stupid enough to click the next button when its asking to download adware you will not get any.


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I've installed the freeware version and didn't find any malware in it, nor did I get any special popups asking me to install any unrelated software...

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I think the problem is that there will be people who only upload once, never post anything and never again upload something, and just have access to the ftp. I actually preferred you have to make some posts before you get access, to make sure you're not here for the ftp only.


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I've installed the freeware version and didn't find any malware in it, nor did I get any special popups asking me to install any unrelated software...


On my version I just kept clicking "Disagree" and didn't get any adware.


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Well done, Andy! This is a great idea. I mean, yes, you will have to work a little harder, and show more information,
But this is a great way to clean up the forum a little, so we don't get thousands of offers, like now, on the homepage.

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Well done, Andy! This is a great idea. I mean, yes, you will have to work a little harder, and show more information,
But this is a great way to clean up the forum a little, so we don't get thousands of offers, like now, on the homepage.


I don't see the point with the offers on the homepage, I mean, why do you create a topic for it if you can just upload it to the ftp? Anyone has access to the upload ftp (correct me if I'm wrong).


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Does anybody except me remember BBS upload / download ratios? "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it" ...


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Jensvde wrote:
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Well done, Andy! This is a great idea. I mean, yes, you will have to work a little harder, and show more information,
But this is a great way to clean up the forum a little, so we don't get thousands of offers, like now, on the homepage.


I don't see the point with the offers on the homepage, I mean, why do you create a topic for it if you can just upload it to the ftp? Anyone has access to the upload ftp (correct me if I'm wrong).


Maybe to save mrpijey the trouble of looking through the upload ftp to find duplicates?
You can just file an offer and another FTP Access member could look for a duplicate.


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Does anybody except me remember BBS upload / download ratios? "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it" ...
Yes, that's why we don't have it.

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Maybe my point wasn't obvious ...

On most BBS you could download a few files without obligation, but after a certain point, you had to upload something, to get further download access. It was a good concept: new users who had nothing to offer were still welcome, and it prevented abuse by greedy hogs. Once new users became engaged with the system and its operator, they were more likely to upload something.

A good lesson in history I think ...


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Yeah, it's a good function and the FTP server supports it, but we've chosen not to use a ratio system.

I've added a guide on dumping a disc with Alcohol 120% to the forum.

I've also added Alcohol 120% FE to the \(Misc) Tools\Dumping section on the FTP.

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Maybe to save mrpijey the trouble of looking through the upload ftp to find duplicates?
You can just file an offer and another FTP Access member could look for a duplicate.


You're right, I never thought about it in that way... but again if you upload it he could just delete it if it's already in the collection? What if it's a better copy than the archive currently has? Then it would never be uploaded because another member said it's already in the archive?


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Yeah, it's a good function and the FTP server supports it, but we've chosen not to use a ratio system.

I've added a guide on dumping a disc with Alcohol 120% to the forum.

I've also added Alcohol 120% FE to the \(Misc) Tools\Dumping section on the FTP.


I believe you need to host it here on the site rather than FTP. How people who'll need it to image their CDs/DVDs will download it and use it? Or what purpose does it serve there?

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An old timey BBS had three major functions:

a) files
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c) live chat

Not necessarily in that order, depending on the individual; fundamentally similar to BA. On a BBS like PCBoard, upload/download ratios were a well developed feature. I didn't know FTP servers could do the same. Not saying that you should, just remembering my past ...


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Maybe to save mrpijey the trouble of looking through the upload ftp to find duplicates?
You can just file an offer and another FTP Access member could look for a duplicate.


You're right, I never thought about it in that way... but again if you upload it he could just delete it if it's already in the collection? What if it's a better copy than the archive currently has? Then it would never be uploaded because another member said it's already in the archive?
I think it's better if I check it since I can quickly discover if the new uploaded copy is better than the existing one. I am the only one with direct local access to the entire archive, and since I process all the files myself it's just better than I take a look.

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I believe you need to host it here on the site rather than FTP. How people who'll need it to image their CDs/DVDs will download it and use it? Or what purpose does it serve there?
Yes of course, it was added to the FTP for our current members.

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mrpijey: You seem to misunderstood my post. I mean for new members who don't have yet an access to the FTP, how they'll be able to download it? And if they had it installed and got FTP access then, they won't need to download it again from the FTP.

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