Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
It appears that internally Microsoft already plans a third Redstone wave.
Since the second Redstone wave is planned for April 2017, it is too early to pin point any features for this third release, however it is told that Redstone 2 & 3 will be more focused on Mobile (ARM64 and maybe win32 apps)
It is interesting that Threshold had only 2 waves.
I wanted to start this topic in order to confirm or not this rumor and gather any info related to this wave (features, release date and so on)
http://www.winbeta.org/news/winbeta-pod ... ebook-apps
Since the second Redstone wave is planned for April 2017, it is too early to pin point any features for this third release, however it is told that Redstone 2 & 3 will be more focused on Mobile (ARM64 and maybe win32 apps)
It is interesting that Threshold had only 2 waves.
I wanted to start this topic in order to confirm or not this rumor and gather any info related to this wave (features, release date and so on)
http://www.winbeta.org/news/winbeta-pod ... ebook-apps
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hounsell
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
Yeh, they're definitely planning something beyond RS2 already. I can't confirm it as "RS3", but it seems to make sense to me from what I do know about it.
I don't buy this whole "focused on mobile" thing though. I think this is a message Microsoft have implied repeatedly by saying RS1/2016 is "not focused on mobile". I think they imply it not because 2017 will be, but to discourage people from asking awkward questions about how more people think the earth is flat than think Windows 10 Mobile is a viable platform.
ARM64 is coming, but I'm still going to insist, as I did in this article about ARM64 support in Redstone, that the more advanced ARM64 project is in the Server division, not Mobile. And you can safely ignore any crackpot that mentions ARM/ARM64 and the desktop.
I don't buy this whole "focused on mobile" thing though. I think this is a message Microsoft have implied repeatedly by saying RS1/2016 is "not focused on mobile". I think they imply it not because 2017 will be, but to discourage people from asking awkward questions about how more people think the earth is flat than think Windows 10 Mobile is a viable platform.
ARM64 is coming, but I'm still going to insist, as I did in this article about ARM64 support in Redstone, that the more advanced ARM64 project is in the Server division, not Mobile. And you can safely ignore any crackpot that mentions ARM/ARM64 and the desktop.
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
what about ReFS for x86 ?
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Never going to happen. It's server-only anyway, and server is x64-only and they're not going to bring back x86.
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Pfff they are useless...
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They've always plan things in advance, the only thing that changed this time is the fact that everyone thought that Windows 10 codename will change after 2 waves (TH1, TH2, RS1, RS2) .hounsell wrote:Yeh, they're definitely planning something beyond RS2 already. I can't confirm it as "RS3", but it seems to make sense to me from what I do know about it.
We all expected for another codename after the release of RS2 next year.
If I'm allowed to speculate a little:
TH1 -being the first Win 10 release
TH2 - came with more bug fixes and optimizations than features
RS1 - is about to bring radical changes and a lot of new features
RS2 - probably will be more like TH2 was for TH1, with bug fixes and optimizations (will see after RS1 release)
Now thinking of this "trend" , than is safe to say that , if it will be a RS3, that it means it won't bring much features / changes, and MS will came up with a new codename when they'll want to focus on features again.
But once again, this is just a personal idea , a speculation based on the observed trend mention above.
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
fwiw, I understand RS2 will be a larger update than RS3, but obviously smaller than RS1. Both will have more development time than TH2 - probably intentional considering how TH2 just straight up wasn't ready at its official RTM.
And this is pure speculation but I think ARM64 Server is a distinct possibility for RS2. Not convinced on any other ARM64 variant though.
A chunk of features were rumoured to be cut from RS1 and moved to RS2, which might make it seem a larger update than perhaps it would normally have been.
And this is pure speculation but I think ARM64 Server is a distinct possibility for RS2. Not convinced on any other ARM64 variant though.
A chunk of features were rumoured to be cut from RS1 and moved to RS2, which might make it seem a larger update than perhaps it would normally have been.
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
Of course you can run Server OS as a Desktop OS..hounsell wrote:Yeh, they're definitely planning something beyond RS2 already. I can't confirm it as "RS3", but it seems to make sense to me from what I do know about it.
I don't buy this whole "focused on mobile" thing though. I think this is a message Microsoft have implied repeatedly by saying RS1/2016 is "not focused on mobile". I think they imply it not because 2017 will be, but to discourage people from asking awkward questions about how more people think the earth is flat than think Windows 10 Mobile is a viable platform.
ARM64 is coming, but I'm still going to insist, as I did in this article about ARM64 support in Redstone, that the more advanced ARM64 project is in the Server division, not Mobile. And you can safely ignore any crackpot that mentions ARM/ARM64 and the desktop.
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
If you have the money to buy a Server license for Desktop use
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
Or if you have DreamSparkmadalin88 wrote:If you have the money to buy a Server license for Desktop use
I haven't researched this, but I'm assuming ARM64 WinServer isn't going to have a desktop like Server 2012 R2, and just be more like NanoCore? Or am I wrong at it is actually a full port of 2016?
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
It's not clear at this stage.
I do believe it's going to be at least at the level of Server Core, but I dunno about full Desktop Experience.
I do believe it's going to be at least at the level of Server Core, but I dunno about full Desktop Experience.
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
I think we won't get any official news at least until RS2 development begins
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...or if you simply happen to be privileged enough to obtain a copy from the FTP server.madalin88 wrote:If you have the money to buy a Server license for Desktop use
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
That involves the version being abandonware.DJ Deedahx wrote:...or if you simply happen to be privileged enough to obtain a copy from the FTP server.madalin88 wrote:If you have the money to buy a Server license for Desktop use
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
That's the surprising thing.Zacchi4k wrote:I think we won't get any official news at least until RS2 development begins
We have information about a development branch , 2 releases in the future which, as far as I know, never happen before.
It's like knowing MS wil release Windows ME from the beta stages of Windows 95
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Big deal... This so called updates with fancy names are crappy versions of service packs
It is not even a new os...
It is not even a new os...
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
That's the idea behind windows as a service. You won't see a huge change update to update but over the course of a few years it might feel like a new os without that initial "everything is different, I hate it" shock. Just think if xp was a service, you might see some complaints about how xp doesn't look and feel like it did 15 years ago but they would probably be few and far between. I personally think it is a smart move by Microsoft but I can understand why some might be annoyed by it.Roo_the_Vickty wrote:Big deal... This so called updates with fancy names are crappy versions of service packs
It is not even a new os...
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how is it smart when you redownload whole OS again?
it is just facial make up to call it service...
by that you would still be at 6.2 kernel with repatched component by component
and not entire OS
it is just facial make up to call it service...
by that you would still be at 6.2 kernel with repatched component by component
and not entire OS
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Windows 10 is NT 10.0.Roo_the_Vickty wrote:how is it smart when you redownload whole OS again?
it is just facial make up to call it service...
by that you would still be at 6.2 kernel with repatched component by component
and not entire OS
Also, they can be any type of upgrade.
They can contain just a bunch of new features and fixes but they can also contain a kernel or core system updates.
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It's smart when you go to do a clean install. Instead of having to apply every patch since release, all you need is the latest build and cumulative update, plus some little things here and there.Roo_the_Vickty wrote:how is it smart when you redownload whole OS again?
it is just facial make up to call it service...
by that you would still be at 6.2 kernel with repatched component by component
and not entire OS
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
wrong, its 6.3Zacchi4k wrote: Windows 10 is NT 10.0.
10 is bumped only facial
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
No, it's 10.0.
As of Windows 8.1, some APIs were modified to return 6.3.9600 regardless of the actual system version for compatibility reasons. But the system version for Windows 10 is always NT 10.0.xxxxx
As of Windows 8.1, some APIs were modified to return 6.3.9600 regardless of the actual system version for compatibility reasons. But the system version for Windows 10 is always NT 10.0.xxxxx
Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
I disagree! It's a huge difference: remember for example when You had SPs on Win XP and had to go to Windows Update and get 500 - 1 GB or more of updates than you have to check for updates again, cause there were updates for updates and so on.Roo_the_Vickty wrote:Big deal... This so called updates with fancy names are crappy versions of service packs
It is not even a new os...
This doesn't happen to Win 10 anymore. Even if your not an insider and install TH2, you only need to download a single KB which would update the OS build number from RTM (10586.0) to the latest version (10586.318) and not have to go through all other updates KB. And that's a big step trust me.
It is not suppose to be a new OS, the features and fixes is what counts. How would it help you if MS would release new OSs every year and you have need to buy new licenses every year? Those updates are free, even it is still free for WIN 7 and Win 8 users and also for those which became insiders before the first release
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Re: Windows 10 Redstone 3 ?!
What the hell...
xp sps were small, and it was collection of patches, not entire broken iso
Its not windows 9 or 11 but "threshold" 1 & 2 or "redstone" 1 & 2
xp sps were small, and it was collection of patches, not entire broken iso
And how is this different from now?How would it help you if MS would release new OSs every year and you have need to buy new licenses every year
Its not windows 9 or 11 but "threshold" 1 & 2 or "redstone" 1 & 2
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Yes, that is exactly why both th2 and rs1 are bumping the build number... would be nice if you knew how the current servicing model works.Roo_the_Vickty wrote:Big deal... This so called updates with fancy names are crappy versions of service packs
It is not even a new os...