How about a different approach to access the FTP?

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Do you think that access to the FTP should be revamped?

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How about a different approach to access the FTP?

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Hey guys!
I was on WinWorld and I noticed their FTP page has a (I don't know how to say it....) well I guess look! https://winworldpc.com/library/ I think this might be a good idea for this site (or at least something like it.) Besides they did kind of steal BA's downloads.
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you can't steal something that is free

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You are right.
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wasabilee wrote:you can't steal something that is free
BetaArchive doesn't own the content anyway.
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Re: How about a different approach to access the FTP?

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You can call it what you want, but a large number of their files are repackaged from BA. I haven't been to WinWorld in years, but from what I can remember they use an HTTP server, not FTP. I'm certainly no expert in this area, but I can imagine it would be either impossible or at least harder and more time consuming to do this with BA's FTP as it is. Anyway, I think our server is fine as it is. It serves its purpose, and the content is far superior, which is what really matters.
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We chose the FTP approach for very good reasons, this will not change in the foreseeable future. There's nothing wrong with the approach WinWorld uses, but it doesn't suit our needs (security, monitoring, logging etc.).
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My thought was that we could have a GUI like WinWorld has. I was thinking have a logon page and that user could only access (like now) with an IP lock, and I want you to keep everything else for security. Am I making sense? Also, is this possible?
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marcoguy wrote:You can call it what you want, but a large number of their files are repackaged from BA.
and you have to face it that in past many files didn't "come" from BA
but also leaked on other places 1st

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gabegriggs1 wrote:Also, is this possible?
It is of course, entirely possible. And despite suggestions to the contrary, such a system could be vastly more secure and flexible than the current system.

It's also never going to happen. It's a different skill set and a different server setup. BA's system is dictated not by what's best, but by what's doable given the current circumstances. It's not like WinWorldPC's just regurgitated some open source generic stuff - it's all been developed in-house over a reasonable time investment over a period of months. Given the apparent scarcity of time for the administrators on BA at the moment, it's hardly a workable suggestion that they make what would be a more significant investment (because of the complexity that BA policies require). It'd delay other, more immediate and more urgent work that could be done for the community.

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Having a HTTP access system for the files would be extremely easy. But it would remove all means of control we have over the files being distributed from our servers.We need certain features such as bandwidth limiting, IP locking, proper upload system (which will still need FTP anyway), user management, resume functionality etc, all of which are difficult at best, and impossible at worst to implement with HTTP. It simply requires too much time to develop with little to none benefits over the current system. Yes, FTP is an ancient protocol that should have been updated (or replaced) with a better system, but unfortunately there are no good alternative ways to handle large file collections over the web. The only system close to being able to handle our needs are a torrent system, but we can't and won't implement that for various reasons (scarce and difficult tracker software, ISP limitations being two). Beyond that there is no other way. If anyone knows a good way of allowing specific users to access a large file collection with our requirements then by all means, let us know.
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Re: How about a different approach to access the FTP?

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I see what you mean. I can research and see if I can find an alternative.
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