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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:23 pm 
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1) In this case, he does. You should admit people know better for once.
2) It's actually quicker with it being a compressed file-level image, so long as you are not using your mother's old Pentium II.
3) Ever heard of removing any crap? I have and you can do it with a simple batch script!
4) Maybe you incompetent users should use google instead of assuming you know best.

1. That question was addressed to hounsell, not to soulman.
2. Guy, my first computer was Pentium I. :P
Lets speak about facts. Use timer, install twice (I386 and WIM)
3. Why do we have to clean waste if we can do a clean integrating?
4. If you say something, prove that, no redirects.

1) Fortunately, we all find that quite obvious.
2) And? This has no relevance to my point.
3) Because WIMs are much more versatile and efficient. Just look how much easier it is to do everything like PXE booting for example and creating images of disks.
4) Or you could just educate yourself before diving headfirst in to a conversation.



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It's a lot easier if it was done automatically though, and files could be edited (such as the registry, and dll files, etc) which can be packed easily without needing a WIM.

Only people like you who fail to grasp the concept of WIMs would say that.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:24 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:25 pm 
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soulman wrote:
1) Fortunately, we all find that quite obvious.
2) And? This has no relevance to my point.
3) Because WIMs are much more versatile and efficient. Just look how much easier it is to do everything like PXE booting for example and creating images of disks.
4) Or you could just educate yourself before diving headfirst in to a conversation.

1. So he should answer. The question about I386 and WIM is sort of 'tastes differ'.
2. If I386 is better for old computers, it's great when we have a choice.
3. NLite is better.
4. I would recommend it to you. I said "my opinion". Why do we have to argue about tastes?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:27 pm 
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Coppermine wrote:
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1) Fortunately, we all find that quite obvious.
2) And? This has no relevance to my point.
3) Because WIMs are much more versatile and efficient. Just look how much easier it is to do everything like PXE booting for example and creating images of disks.
4) Or you could just educate yourself before diving headfirst in to a conversation.

1. So he should answer. The question about I386 and WIM is sort of 'tastes differ'.
2. If I386 is better for old computers, it's better when we have a choice.
3. NLite is better.
4. I would recommend it to you. I said "my opinion". Why do we have to argue about tastes?


Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:29 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:30 pm 
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Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

So what do you do there if you think that old hardware and software are bad?
I love old hardware and software. Your post is offensive. New hardware is only faster, not better.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:32 pm 
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Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

So what do you do there if you think that old hardware and software are bad?
I love old hardware and software. Your post is offensive. New hardware is only faster, not better.

What in the world made you think he's bashing old hardware?
He's only saying Old Hardware + New software don't mix.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:33 pm 
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Coppermine wrote:
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Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

So what do you do there if you think that old hardware and software are bad?
I love old hardware and software. Your post is offensive. New hardware is only faster, not better.

Oh let's see, I upgrade once in a while. Tell me how new hardware is not better considering the advancements we've had over the past years such as EFI? Oh and the addition of speed and stability generally does make it far superior. Run an old PC? Use your old software.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:34 pm 
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soulman wrote:
Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

So what do you do there if you think that old hardware and software are bad?
I love old hardware and software. Your post is offensive. New hardware is only faster, not better.

What in the world made you think he's bashing old hardware?
He's only saying Old Hardware + New software don't mix.

Read carefully his words, man (about trash etc).

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:35 pm 
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Coppermine wrote:
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Coppermine wrote:
soulman wrote:
Again, who the [censored] tries to use newer OSes on old trash computers? Again, it's not down to opinion, it's down to the [censored] whitepapers and spec sheets. Also, if you're saying nlite is easier than two imagex commands and copy and paste, LOL.

So what do you do there if you think that old hardware and software are bad?
I love old hardware and software. Your post is offensive. New hardware is only faster, not better.

What in the world made you think he's bashing old hardware?
He's only saying Old Hardware + New software don't mix.

Read carefully his words, man (about trash etc).

Doesn't mean to say I dislike them. Oh wait, I have a few vintage PCs.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Oh let's see, I upgrade once in a while. Tell me how new hardware is not better considering the advancements we've had over the past years such as EFI? Oh and the addition of speed and stability generally does make it far superior. Run an old PC? Use your old software.

So we can move to arguments about EFI. Is it so great as ads say. :D

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:38 pm 
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Oh let's see, I upgrade once in a while. Tell me how new hardware is not better considering the advancements we've had over the past years such as EFI? Oh and the addition of speed and stability generally does make it far superior. Run an old PC? Use your old software.

So we can move to arguments about EFI. Is it so great as ads say. :D

What happened to the fact that WIMs are far superior to each individual file compressed as a cab?
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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:39 pm 
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@soulman, I installed 5112 on a Duron just because it is the only computer with AGP GPU slot I have.

@Anyone else, WIM is generally better in my opinion, but i386 is better to integrate SATA drivers.

@maxtorix, continue your work, it's appreciated.

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What happened to the fact that WIMs are far superior to each individual file compressed as a cab?

Well, guy. Use your WIMs. We will use I386, XP, Longhorn, no win8.

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What happened to the fact that WIMs are far superior to each individual file compressed as a cab?

Well, guy. Use your WIMs. We will use I386, XP, Longhorn, no win8.

Wow, you finally admitted defeat for once! Before continuing an argument on WIMs, I suggest you read the whitepapers of their capabilities.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn Repacks in i386 form        Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:42 pm 
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What happened to the fact that WIMs are far superior to each individual file compressed as a cab?

Well, guy. Use your WIMs. We will use I386, XP, Longhorn, no win8.

Wow, you finally admitted defeat for once! Before continuing an argument on WIMs, I suggest you read the whitepapers of their capabilities.

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Wow, you finally admitted defeat for once! Before continuing an argument on WIMs, I suggest you read the whitepapers of their capabilities.

I don't need those capabilities (as well as efi)! I think I386 is easier to use, faster etc.
I like NLite, i like I386 installer because it's more advanced for configuring.

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Wow, you finally admitted defeat for once! Before continuing an argument on WIMs, I suggest you read the whitepapers of their capabilities.

I don't need those capabilities! I think I386 is easier to use, faster etc.

Install Windows 7 with a stopwatch in hand, and then do the same with Windows XP.
Then compare.
Wait, don't do that. It's crystal clear.
Winner = Windows 7.


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Install Windows 7 with a stopwatch in hand, and then do the same with Windows XP.
Then compare.
Wait, don't do that. It's crystal clear.
Winner = Windows 7.

Again, depends on hardware. I agree about new computers.

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Wow, you finally admitted defeat for once! Before continuing an argument on WIMs, I suggest you read the whitepapers of their capabilities.

I don't need those capabilities! I think I386 is easier to use, faster etc.
I like NLite, i like I386 installer because it's more advanced for configuring.

You always have to try and get the last word, don't you?
Again, you are completely and utterly wrong because you refuse to even look at WIMs. When you actually use them, you will learn.
Also, guess what? Nobody actually cares!

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You always have to try and get the last word, don't you?
Again, you are completely and utterly wrong because you refuse to even look at WIMs. When you actually use them, you will learn.
Also, guess what? Nobody actually cares!

I've tried Vista, 7 Longhorn. In XP during installation i may configure languages, Ethernet and can't do it in Vista/7.
Also, in Longhorn 4074 setup the mouse doesn't work, so i have to format the partition with Longhorn Reloaded setup.
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@Coppermine On the same computer. Happy now...???

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WIM:

Partition image.

Pros:
1. All permissions are preserved.
2. Compression at once for all files.
3. Can contain many partitions in one file.
4. Mountable (starting from ~ Vista RC).
5. Long filename support.

Cons:
1. Partition header and temp files are useless when installing from WIM.
2. Requires additional libraries to mount or apply a WIM to a real partition.

I386:

Compressed files (CAB format).

Pros:
1. Doesn't require additional libraries, as files are CABs.
2. Easy to replace one file.
3. Doesn't require mounting to make changes.
4. Better for older computers.
5. DOS support.

Cons:
1. Compression for one file, not all at once.
2. No long filename support, so an extra rename reference file needed.
3. When installing an OS, needs more installation stages.

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You always have to try and get the last word, don't you?
Again, you are completely and utterly wrong because you refuse to even look at WIMs. When you actually use them, you will learn.
Also, guess what? Nobody actually cares!

I've tried Vista, 7 Longhorn. In XP during installation i may configure languages, Ethernet and can't do it in Vista/7.
Also, in Longhorn 4074 setup the mouse doesn't work, so i have to format the partition with Longhorn Reloaded setup.

I might have to correct you.
In XP during GUI part of the installation. Aka the 2nd stage.
In Vista/7 is all the same stage.


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I might have to correct you.
In XP during GUI part of the installation. Aka the 2nd stage.
In Vista/7 is all the same stage.

Yes, you are correct.
Oh, why did they remove those settings?..

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