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 PostPost subject: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Has anyone here succed on the Installation of gentoo? The last time that I've tried, It took ages and it slapped me with a Kernel Panic,also is there any other distro that has a similar process?

Also: RMS's New favorite distro is gNewSense, anyone have tried it yet?

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:59 pm 
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I haven't tried to install the latest Gentoo version, but the last one installed just fine on my laptop (though as you noted, it took FOREVER). As for gNewSense, I gave it a spin a couple weeks ago. Wasn't impressed. It's nothing more than yet another attempt to take all the non-free components out of Ubuntu. Nothing really innovative or exciting in it that I could find.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:12 pm 
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I haven't tried to install the latest Gentoo version, but the last one installed just fine on my laptop (though as you noted, it took FOREVER). As for gNewSense, I gave it a spin a couple weeks ago. Wasn't impressed. It's nothing more than yet another attempt to take all the non-free components out of Ubuntu. Nothing really innovative or exciting in it that I could find.

You know, Free as in Freedom.

Debian is going trough a similar way, I've tried squeezy one of these days, and its repositories were only of free as in freedom applications,Now i'm using Crunchbang, And i got to say i'm impressed: Low memory footprint, Openbox with tint2 is awesome. But arch and gentoo will always have that special place in my heart.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:16 pm 
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I've never tried Arch or Crunchbang, though I keep meaning to try CB one of these days. And yeah, I know the FOSS principles, but sometimes they just get in the way. For example, FOSS advocates say that it's okay to completely avoid including Flash support because Gnash exists. I don't know about you, but Gnash has never worked on any computer I've tried to use it on. There are some instances where, whether we like it or not, closed-source software must be used until open-source catches up. I actually PREFER open-source software for a lot of stuff (I use LibreOffice even on my Windows install), but sometimes it just isn't PRACTICAL. So I'd at least like the OPTION to use the proprietary stuff until the open-source counterpart is up to date. And let's not even get into drivers and support.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:31 pm 
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evangelikevin wrote:
I've never tried Arch or Crunchbang, though I keep meaning to try CB one of these days. And yeah, I know the FOSS principles, but sometimes they just get in the way. For example, FOSS advocates say that it's okay to completely avoid including Flash support because Gnash exists. I don't know about you, but Gnash has never worked on any computer I've tried to use it on. There are some instances where, whether we like it or not, closed-source software must be used until open-source catches up. I actually PREFER open-source software for a lot of stuff (I use LibreOffice even on my Windows install), but sometimes it just isn't PRACTICAL. So I'd at least like the OPTION to use the proprietary stuff until the open-source counterpart is up to date. And let's not even get into drivers and support.


True, That's one of the greatest problems with the "GNU" Concept, Open Source will never be at the same level as the closed source alternatives and also drivers can be a bit of a bother, but not that much, unless you use some obscure hardware that no one ever heard about.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:34 pm 
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True, That's one of the greatest problems with the "GNU" Concept, Open Source will never be at the same level as the closed source alternatives and also drivers can be a bit of a bother, but not that much, unless you use some obscure hardware that no one ever heard about.

Nah, but free ATI drivers on most distros leave MUCH to be desired. Like I said, though, I like open-source projects. I was just trying to say that gNewSense wasn't anything special.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:44 am 
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Back, before Ubuntu became commonplace and easy to use, I was a Gentoo guy. I always started from stage-2 binaries (Which was more or less /usr/bin, and nothing else, IIRC), and built my system up off of that. At the time before I gave up on it, they were switching from some old device manager to udev (which I believe is still the standard dev manager used today). I always managed to get a working system out of it all. Not sure if it's worth trying to use it now-a-days, since it's no longer too useful to recompile your own binaries. Ubuntu repositories have the latest and greatest stable packages for each platform.

To be honest, I have no idea how Gentoo still exists, except for those diehard users that haven't given up on it yet, just to squeeze every last bit of performance out of their systems - the main reason to use gentoo way back when. I highly suggest using Gentoo as a training environment for people to learn how to compile their own kernel and customize linux to their needs, but at the end of the day, it makes much more sense to fall back on the pre-compiled binaries for x86_64, or i386 (or arm, for that matter), and enjoy linux instead of struggle with it.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:35 am 
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Gentoo nostalgias memories from my childhood; late nights following walkthroughs while listening to jazz as the hour witched.

Anyways, I did a Stage 1 Gentoo install. I found the stable emerge sources were way outdated and always ran my system unstable. If you have the time it can be quite fun, but not very rewarding or practical. Eventually I wanted to use MS Office and gave up on Linux. Remember OO1?

Arch Linux is also a great one to try, especially if you like the download from website paradigm more. Many of the number crunching libraries on Ubuntu's repositories are hopelessly outdated or ill compiled; and therefore I have to build 30% of the stuff I use from source.

I have no experience with gNewSense. I personally find the efforts to avoid blobs a NewSense and a distraction.

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 PostPost subject: Re: GNU/Linux Gentoo distro        Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:37 am 
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I personally find the efforts to avoid blobs a NewSense and a distraction.


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