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louisw3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YFN9G3F6

Included is the SIMH emulator needed, and a ready to run batch file.. While this SYSV predates when TCP/IP was included, honestly making 4.2 BSD & 4.3 BSD far more useful, it may be fun to see what a real SYSV Unix was like...

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retroOS

NICE! the TUHS gang would love this have you thought about forwarding a copy to TUHS?

z180

Its not possible because its a different licence for SYS V.
this version is similar to the A/UX 0.7 beta.
Sys V0 or V1 can run on 16 bit PDP 11 and the like.

retroOS

what compile options did you use to produce the win32 simh executable? I would like to try an get this running on linux as well (using the vanilla simh source if possible)

louisw3

retroOS wrote:

what compile options did you use to produce the win32 simh executable? I would like to try an get this running on linux as well (using the vanilla simh source if possible)

I downloaded it from sourceforge... http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/

although building is trivial..

make BIN/vax780

Since you are building via linux you'll probably have to mess with -lrt and whatnot. Or use a precompiled bianary.

aap

Wow, where did you get it? I never found anything useful about sysv on the net.
Do you have more of this?

EDIT: Damn, it even has all the source code, how cool is that :OD

This is by far the best thing I found on this site and the ftp server.

Do you also have the distribution tape (perhaps including installation instructions)?

EDIT2: I just went through some of your posts and saw, that you also have the source code to SVR1/3/4? I'd really appreciate it if you could upload this somewhere, I've been wanting this a long time. (And since I'm reading lions book it'll be fun comparing different unix versions).

z180

IF you like this book,you will like UNSW V6 unix,it contains a lot of improvements.

aap

I'll probably look into it. I'm planning to follow the development of unix to compare different versions and see how it evolved and so forth (by reading the kernel sources). It's not so easy to understand everything but I love reading the book and the source.
I now hope that louisew3 gives us the source code of sysvr1/3/4.

louisw3

aap wrote:

I'll probably look into it. I'm planning to follow the development of unix to compare different versions and see how it evolved and so forth (by reading the kernel sources). It's not so easy to understand everything but I love reading the book and the source.
I now hope that louisew3 gives us the source code of sysvr1/3/4.

I saw a bunch uploaded a long while ago but they were never approved I guess.

Have you heard of John Titor?

aap

You mean this torrent?: http://btjunkie.org/torrent/titor-speci ... ad68885367
It sure looks as though it has lots of stuff I want, but it's dead.
Could you upload it somewhere else perhaps? I'd LOVE to have all this, I love collecting unices.

retroOS

whilst not vax unix, I did upload Solaris 7 on x86 and SPARC and Unixware 7 a while back. They are all on the ftp

aap

Yes, I saw them and downloaded Unixware (but I'm having trouble with graphics on qemu) and I think I have your Solaris 7 lying around somewhere too. I wonder if solaris 2.5.1 for PowerPc works with qemu, I'm gonna try it out some time.
Still I'd like to have SystemV (mainly the sources) just to compare...I don't really like SysV anyway, BSD feels much more unixy to me.

louisw3

aap wrote:

You mean this torrent?: http://btjunkie.org/torrent/titor-speci ... ad68885367
It sure looks as though it has lots of stuff I want, but it's dead.
Could you upload it somewhere else perhaps? I'd LOVE to have all this, I love collecting unices.

You sure? I checked and there are a bunch of seeds, granted at 99.7% but it's almost all of it.

aap

Yay, I just got AIX 1.3 installed in bochs

Anyway, the torrent..it says 0 seeders...so I'm guessing it's pretty dead, isn't it?
Wouldn't it be possible for you to upload this to some ftp? (I could give you access to my server, but that's slow) I'm only interested in the unix part of course (except the stuff you can find somewhere else, i.e. the starunix folder, the bsds, the www.sun3zoo.de sunos distribution, xenix &c.).
I'd greatly appreciate it.

louisw3

aap wrote:

Yay, I just got AIX 1.3 installed in bochs

Anyway, the torrent..it says 0 seeders...so I'm guessing it's pretty dead, isn't it?

I see 7. maybe you should load the torrent.

aap wrote:

Wouldn't it be possible for you to upload this to some ftp? (I could give you access to my server, but that's slow) I'm only interested in the unix part of course (except the stuff you can find somewhere else, i.e. the starunix folder, the bsds, the http://www.sun3zoo.de sunos distribution, xenix &c.).
I'd greatly appreciate it.

I had and it wasn't accepted, and I've lost it since. that torrent is your only real hope.

aap

Hey, you're right, it seems to work. I've never really bothered to understand this bittorrent thing (seeders and trackers and peers and whatnot), I just used it

When I get X11 installed and working on AIX I hope to make an easy guide on how to install everything, don't count on that, though.

EDIT: I got everything I wanted, tanks mate

orsg

btw does anybody know of a source of BSD for non-VAX? I only seem to find VAX-binaries (miniroot, ...) and source tarballs, but I don't think that a 4.4BSD-Lite2 tarball is enough to build a fully running system.
I wanted to have 4.4BSD running on my SPARCstation IPC (which is definately supported by 4.4BSD), and I thought that NetBSD 1.0 would be close enough to compile it from there, but actually I had no clue what to do with this source ball.

z180

I downloaded the source of Sun OS 4.x.x and Solaris 2.6 once.

aap

There is 368BSD, which is probably closest to what you're looking for.
You can find info on it on this blog: http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/?s=386bsd
Alas 386BSD is based on 4.3BSD-Reno (not Tahoe!), which means it's already pretty bloated.
Your other option would be SunOS (which is based on BSD): http://www.abiyo.net/retrocomputing/ins ... e08onlinux
I've tried it and it works (although I've not tried getting any GUI to work).

orsg

aap wrote:

There is 368BSD, which is probably closest to what you're looking for.

386BSD is, like its name applies, for i386 only

My main intention was to get an original Berkeley BSD up and running, but I don't have such an old x86 system.

aap wrote:

Alas 386BSD is based on 4.3BSD-Reno (not Tahoe!), which means it's already pretty bloated.

"bloated" is pretty irrelevant for SPARC-based workstations being some of the fastest computers of their time.
But the even more important point is POSIX...yes it changed the style of unix quite a bit, but from today's perspective, it is a more familiar experience and yes it added some overhead, but you probably have a hard time getting some even remotely modern software up and running on a non-POSIX unix

aap wrote:

Your other option would be SunOS (which is based on BSD): http://www.abiyo.net/retrocomputing/ins ... e08onlinux

I had SunOS 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 running before (on real hardware), but Sun added quite a bit of own technology.
The funny thing is: NetBSD has binary compatibility with SunOS, which is so good, that you can actually boot a SunOS system with a NetBSD kernel and it works with some minor flaws

aap

I thought You wanted a non-VAX BSD? If you want an original BSD I recommend 4.3BSD for the VAX.
And with bloated I also meant POSIX-compliance, Reno was just a step away from the original BSD (and perhaps even Unix) way...and I liked the old way better.

orsg

aap wrote:

I thought You wanted a non-VAX BSD? If you want an original BSD I recommend 4.3BSD for the VAX.

you caught me

I actually wanted to run a Berkeley Unix, but as I don't have a VAX, the old versions are not suitable (I already ran them in simh, but it's just not the real thing).
Anyway, 4.4BSD is compatible with some non-VAX platforms (Link), and so I'm trying to get one up and running on my SPARCstation IPC.

aap wrote:

And with bloated I also meant POSIX-compliance, Reno was just a step away from the original BSD (and perhaps even Unix) way...and I liked the old way better.

I cannot really follow this discussion, as I

didn't use unix before POSIX
am therefore not used to another environment and had no "migration path"
actually I have no idea what actually changed through POSIX
therefore don't care too much

aap

I've not used Unix before POSIX either (I'm way to young for that

), but I've run BSD in simh, looked (at least a bit) at the source code and played around a little with the BSDs, and what I can say is that 4.3BSD-Tahoe was the last "true" BSD; after that things started to get more complicated and bloated.
I think to get an "original" BSD system running on current hardware is impossible. What's you could though, is to run it in an emulator but connect with a terminal like a vt100 to it, of course then you need a terminal...but I can tell you it's great fun

orsg

aap wrote:

what I can say is that 4.3BSD-Tahoe was the last "true" BSD

when going pre-POSIX, I'd definately take 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c

aap wrote:

I think to get an "original" BSD system running on current hardware is impossible.

of course, plus it's more fun to run on contemporary hardware, too. which is why I want my SPARCstation to fly this thing, as these were brand machines during the time of 4.4BSD

aap wrote:

What's you could though, is to run it in an emulator but connect with a terminal like a vt100 to it, of course then you need a terminal...but I can tell you it's great fun

I also thought about that, but original VT-terminals are not so easy to come by, too...they are probably harder to find than a sun4c workstation, plus they got strange RJ-style connectors

louisw3

orsg wrote:

aap wrote:

There is 368BSD, which is probably closest to what you're looking for.

386BSD is, like its name applies, for i386 only

My main intention was to get an original Berkeley BSD up and running, but I don't have such an old x86 system.

386 BSD runs on 486's, pentiums etc etc... The whole '386' thing was more so that it would *NOT* run on 8086's and 80286's.

And it runs under emulation!

I've found a copy here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42/ ... e/download

And the TCP/IP even works!

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