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 PostPost subject: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Windows 8        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:08 am 
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When it comes to talking about "fundamentals" we want to start with boot time – no feature gets talked about and measured more. We designed Windows 8 so that you shouldn't have to boot all that often (and we are always going to work on reducing the number of required restarts due to patching running code). But when you do boot we want it to be as fast as possible. This is a very deep topic and we have a lot of folks focused on it. We made a bigger leap in this area with Windows 8 than we have in a long time due in no small part to cooperation across the whole ecosystem. Gabe Aul, a director of program management in Windows, authored this post (a first in what will be a series of posts on fundamentals).
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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:15 am 
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I fainted upon that boot time is there any use for a boot screen now?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:18 am 
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I'll check out the video tomorrow, but just imagine if you installed Windows 8 RTM on a top-of-the-line SATA SSD - Once your PC gets past POST, you're instantly at the Windows login screen.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:30 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:36 am 
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Wow that is amazing...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:49 am 
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OK, if that works how it seems to...that's insane. That addresses one of my main issues with Windows. Here's hoping it works right!

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:49 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:08 am 
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:OD... I had to watch the video 3 times because I blinked as the system booted *hehe* (But seriously that is an amazingly fast startup.)

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:16 am 
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That was fast; I saved a copy for future reference after Win8 RTMs.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:16 am 
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I thought the boot times were good in the leaked builds so far, at least one of which actually has this functionality... but damn.

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This new fast startup mode will yield benefits on almost all systems, whether they have a spinning HDD or a solid state drive (SSD), but for newer systems with fast SSDs it is downright amazing. Check out the video below to see for yourself:


I'm not as amazed after reading that but it is still pretty impressive.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:04 am 
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I'm Impressed, but it's just hibernate and not cold start / Complete Shutdown.

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Now here’s the key difference for Windows 8: as in Windows 7, we close the user sessions, but instead of closing the kernel session, we hibernate it. Compared to a full hibernate, which includes a lot of memory pages in use by apps, session 0 hibernation data is much smaller, which takes substantially less time to write to disk.


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Of course, there are times where you may want to perform a complete shutdown – for example, if you’re opening the system to add or change some hardware. We have an option in the UI to revert back to the Windows 7 shutdown/cold boot behavior

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:12 am 
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Well, it's not just hibernate. You quoted the difference yourself, plus this:
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it’s also faster because we added a new multi-phase resume capability, which is able to use all of the cores in a multi-core system in parallel, to split the work of reading from the hiberfile and decompressing the contents. For those of you who prefer hibernating, this also results in faster resumes from hibernate as well.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:29 am 
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nice! close to build conf =)


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:03 am 
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I can't get over how quick that was!!!


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:56 am 
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They used a SSD in this test:
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This new fast startup mode will yield benefits on almost all systems, whether they have a spinning HDD or a solid state drive (SSD), but for newer systems with fast SSDs it is downright amazing. Check out the video below to see for yourself:


I most definitely have to buy a SSD for my future laptop :)

L.E. And I don't know if this has anything to do with the new Protogon FS


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:29 am 
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i think this is what happened- windows will boot but will only load the secondary UI (one with the cubes and stuff) but after a while, the main ui which is familiar to us is loading in the background

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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:33 am 
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that is fast. even if it is from hibernation. from the time she inserts the battery to being able to use windows is 15secs. it is 5 seconds from post to desktop. that is quick. also yes i agree that this is positive news coming just before the build conference next week. shame i am unable to watch any of it as i have my children from 4pm (GMT) until my wife gets home and i will be cooking their tea when the videos are streamed online.

The new ui looks good but if you watch the video it shows the regular ui before the new ui. I guess depends on the users preference on which ui it will show.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:42 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:18 am 
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I don't see what everyone is [censored] their pants over, it seems like the graph shows any computer with a decent HDD or better will only see 10-20% faster boot speeds. Cool but hardly mind-blowing.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:25 am 
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mahirh wrote:
i think this is what happened- windows will boot but will only load the secondary UI (one with the cubes and stuff) but after a while, the main ui which is familiar to us is loading in the background


The familiar UI loads only on demand , like an app .


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:26 am 
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im no canouna but that looks like omnimo

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mahirh wrote:
im no canouna but that looks like omnimo


LOL'd. It's from MSFT's Video ;)


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The new ui looks good but if you watch the video it shows the regular ui before the new ui. I guess depends on the users preference on which ui it will show.


What you see there before the new UI is actually, the logon screen, and at a closer look at it it seams to me that the Windows session was brought up from hibernation , not complete shut down


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 PostPost subject: Re: Building Windows 8: Delivering fast boot times in Window        Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:34 am 
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If you read the Article they clearly state as I previously quoted, that the Core of MS win 8 never shut down, it goes into Hibernation. You need to explicitly tell it to shutdown, like when adding or removing hardware, else it'll assume nothing changed.

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Andrew Tapferke wrote:
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im no canouna but that looks like omnimo


LOL'd. It's from MSFT's Video ;)

But still that doesnt mean they cant use omnimo

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