Post subject: Mac os on pc Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:29 pm
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Pc uses an intel or amd cpu. Why does Apple not include the pc users to their os? They would not earn less then well?
What is the thing about only let a Mac be a intel cpu, it`s a pc in a different construction in a way. Why let Windows work on a Mac when not a mac os on a pc. Very curious about this stuff
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:16 pm
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They want to control hardware (and the whole system) more tightly, there are modifications that make it run on pc's ifyour interested (google it). This has also been discussed many times here and countless references on the web. Google will tell you more in 15 minutes than you'll get in 100 responses on this topic.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:47 pm
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Mac is pretty much designed for every aspect of the hardware it is used on, there arent drivers for most windows machines which is why for a pc user to run a OSX you would have to build the machine from the ground up and keep it as close as possible to the specs of a Mac
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Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:25 pm
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I could easy guess that money is the big one in their imac & macbooks. I´ve tried some stuff tha I found on osx86 project sites. But much to work to get it to work on a Amd.That`s what I think.
Microsoft is smarter than Apple then, they let mac users install Windows on their mac`s
I am going to get a mac maybe some day, but a pc is one thing I could never be without.
They all looks kinda the same, some new features in newer versions but it`s a boring UI they use, and for a along time now.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:45 pm
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Well I can tell you that yes, it is way too much work to get it set up on an AMD machine, but it is worth it. But Windows cannot natively be installed on a Mac though. Boot camp, for example, is just booting a virtual HDD, not really installing it as a system, kind of like Wubi.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:30 am
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I do not think this would be possible any time soon as that will compromise proprietary issues. Apple made windows available for the Mac and that was Apple's move. This would only be possible if some company will port Apple's operating system to be available in their machine. But knowing Jobs' personality, I would say that this would less likely happen as it will expose their well kept secrets.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:03 pm
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@MugenFox: no. It is fully native. They create another partition for you.
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Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:06 pm
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Well in that case, OSx86 is fully native as well. I should have rephrased my sentence. Windows cannot be natively INSTALLED under Mac, same as how Mac cannot be natively INSTALLED on a PC. With enough tweaks though, it runs as if it were native.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:24 pm
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More than 10 years ago, before Steve Jobs returned to Apple, Apple did license other companies to make Mac clones. The result was disastrous and Apple was almost closed because many people simply bought Mac clone instead of Apple's Macs. And at that time, Mac OS's market share did not change so much even other companies made a lot of Mac clones. When Steve Jobs came back, he killed the Mac clone project. I think the major problem of Mac clone is that Apple isn't a software company. It's a company selling sets of functionalities and user experience. Apple's revenue comes from this kind of "bundled" functionalities (or simply hardware + software). For PC makers, no matter HP or Dell or Acer or other companies win, Microsoft wins. But the profit for the PC makers is very limited and they need to sell as much machines as possible to keep the revenue. Dell sells a desktop and it earns around $25. Apple sells a MacBook Pro and it earns around $600. Mac and PC are two different business models and PC's business model, as history told us, does not work well on Apple.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:18 am
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I believe there is a market out there if Apple releases OS X to non-Mac users.
One of the main reasons (IMHO) that OS X is not released to everybody to install is due to quality control. Since Apple creates the software and manufactures the hardware they can be sure that both of them are optimised to the highest degree!
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:24 am
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Well in that case, OSx86 is fully native as well. I should have rephrased my sentence. Windows cannot be natively INSTALLED under Mac, same as how Mac cannot be natively INSTALLED on a PC. With enough tweaks though, it runs as if it were native.
I don't get what you're saying. Windows absolutely can be installed onto a Mac machine natively. If I wipe a Mac hard drive, and boot up from a windows disc, it will run fine, and install fine. There is no difference hardware-wise between a "Mac" and a "PC". A Mac is a PC that can run the the Macintosh OS.
Windows can run on most hardware, because it is DESIGNED to. Generic sound drivers, NIC card drivers, etc. They are made to be the jack of all trades. So running on a Mac is no big deal. Also, even if it's on another partition it's still running natively.
Mac OSx is designed for THEIR hardware, and their hardware only. So running it on a PC could be considered "not native" because you have to get custom bootloaders like Chameleon, custom made drivers, etc. But I would disagree. If I install Windows on my PC, install a few drivers to get my all of my devices working, and decide to install Lilo or Grub for a bootloader, Windows is still running natively on my machine.
Huge project dedicated towards it called Hackintosh.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:02 pm
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If Apple was to make OS X able to install natively on PC's no one would buy Macs anymore. Also, if they had to support all the hardware Windows does then OS X would become way to bloated with drivers and compatibility fixes.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:51 pm
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The OSx86 has plenty of guides on how-to install OS X on a pc, even with AMD processors. A few OSx86 projects: iAtkos, Kalyway, iPC... Those are the most popular versions, but there's alot more.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:10 am
i had osx86 installed on my dell laptop (laditude D530) It was usable, but the graphics drivers would not work no matter what i did. but depending on the hardware you use to do this, it could work just as nicely as it would an actual apple computer.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:34 am
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Nope. You're dead on wrong. Please read before posting comments like that. It is not illegal unless you don't own a copy of the system (which is $30 so I see no excuse). All it does it go against the EULA so you won't expect things like support. It is all completely legal, it is your software.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:14 am
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MugenFox wrote:
Nope. You're dead on wrong. Please read before posting comments like that. It is not illegal unless you don't own a copy of the system (which is $30 so I see no excuse). All it does it go against the EULA so you won't expect things like support. It is all completely legal, it is your software.
It's actually not your software. The EULA clearly states (taken from the OS X Snow Leopard EULA):
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1. General. The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the "Apple Software") are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple, Inc. ("Apple") for use only under the terms of this License. [...]
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or enable others to do so. [...]
tl;dr You don't own the software and it's illegal to do OSx86, says the EULA that no one reads.
You should read the site a bit more carefully. The iBoot/Multibeast method only works on computers using certain motherboards, chipsets, and graphics cards. For example, this method will never work for me because I'm using a Sony motherboard (which doesn't support AHCI, a required controller interface for Mac OS), not a Gigabyte one, and my ATI graphics card isn't supported by any of the kexts or bootloaders in Multibeast. So, before you make claims like that, be sure to read the ENTIRE article.
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Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:40 am
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linuxlove wrote:
MugenFox wrote:
Nope. You're dead on wrong. Please read before posting comments like that. It is not illegal unless you don't own a copy of the system (which is $30 so I see no excuse). All it does it go against the EULA so you won't expect things like support. It is all completely legal, it is your software.
It's actually not your software. The EULA clearly states (taken from the OS X Snow Leopard EULA):
Quote:
1. General. The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the "Apple Software") are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple, Inc. ("Apple") for use only under the terms of this License. [...]
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or enable others to do so. [...]
tl;dr You don't own the software and it's illegal to do OSx86, says the EULA that no one reads.
Not to sound offensive or anything, but the EULA is not law last time I checked.
Post subject: Re: Mac os on pc Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:19 pm
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drackor1991 wrote:
I don't get what you're saying. Windows absolutely can be installed onto a Mac machine natively. If I wipe a Mac hard drive, and boot up from a windows disc, it will run fine, and install fine. There is no difference hardware-wise between a "Mac" and a "PC". A Mac is a PC that can run the the Macintosh OS.
Not true. You MUST install Windows from OS X using BootCamp. Mac's use EFI, not BIOS, windows can't boot from that natively (well, Apple's EFI at least, there are developments to get Windows to boot from EFI natively on 7 and 8), you have to set up a partition from Mac to get Windows installed. Mac uses GUID partition table, Windows does not like that.
So you can't just pop in a Windows CD/DVD and expect it to boot on a Mac.
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