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 PostPost subject: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws.        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:21 am 
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This is a video released by Microsoft Showing The Flaws Of Windows Chigago, To Promote Windows 8
I'm Guessing The Build Is 58s..

Here is the video: http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/4a95/8e5a19e3-d ... 3_high.mp4

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:44 pm 
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How does this promote Windows 8?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:46 pm 
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It says on the development of the Windows 8 UI page that earlier versions of windows were just too hard to use...

IMO: Windows XP is probably the most user freindly OS out there.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:59 pm 
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Really really poor quality....

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:55 pm 
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It might be earlier than build 40! It's hard to tell because of the bad quality, but the icons on the taskbar look different.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:06 pm 
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Remember this video was shot in 1993... back when screen capture was not developed.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Build 56 is the oldest leaked build of Windows 95. It has a early version of the taskbar with the start button divided into 3 diffrent buttons. It has a BIOS date of July 1, 1993.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:11 pm 
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Build 56 is very similar to build 58s.Its a file modification date not a BIOS date but thats editable.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:22 pm 
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I Think It Might Be 58s, Because that was the first version of chicago to introduce the start prototype

They must of been filming to see how people could use it and see what they could improve?

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 PostPost subject: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws.        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:31 pm 
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Willza3 wrote:
I Think It Might Be 58s, Because that was the first version of chicago to introduce the start prototype

They must of been filming to see how people could use it and see what they could improve?



There are two builds shown in the video. Neither of them are 58s. They are both earlier than that, they are Chicago builds from December 1992 or January 1993. (58s is from August 1993)

Install 58s yourself. Look at the three pre-Start buttons yourself. Do they look like what's shown in that video? No, they don't.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Willza3 wrote:
It says on the development of the Windows 8 UI page that earlier versions of windows were just too hard to use...

IMO: Windows XP is probably the most user freindly OS out there.

Somebody hasn't heard of NT6. They haven't heard of a dictionary either.

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There are two builds shown in the video. Neither of them are 58s. They are both earlier than that, they are Chicago builds from December 1992 or January 1993. (58s is from August 1993)
Install 58s yourself. Look at the three pre-Start buttons yourself. Do they look like what's shown in that video? No, they don't.


^This. Don't base facts on thoughts. Use solid evidence and experience.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Willza3 wrote:
Remember this video was shot in 1993... back when screen capture was not developed.

My father has 1991 videos that are way tooo better than this quality. He just used regular camera from that time. Not an really "professional" one...

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Also could you change signature about "youngest"? You arent youngest here and its kind of annoying...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Do you think you could somehow upload the videos you mentioned?

I Would Just Like To Clarify That This Video Was Taken From The "Building The Windows 8 UI" Page From The Windows 8 Blog

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:26 pm 
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MegaDragon998 wrote:
Willza3 wrote:
Remember this video was shot in 1993... back when screen capture was not developed.

My father has 1991 videos that are way tooo better than this quality. He just used regular camera from that time. Not an really "professional" one...

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Also could you change signature about "youngest"? You arent youngest here and its kind of annoying...


Yeah, true. Probably this video was rerecorded to several VHSes in the past.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:44 am 
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I Think It Might Be 58s, Because that was the first version of chicago to introduce the start prototype

They must of been filming to see how people could use it and see what they could improve?



There are two builds shown in the video. Neither of them are 58s. They are both earlier than that, they are Chicago builds from December 1992 or January 1993. (58s is from August 1993)

Install 58s yourself. Look at the three pre-Start buttons yourself. Do they look like what's shown in that video? No, they don't.
Do you happen to know of know of any Chicago builds from December 1992? Also, do you know anything about them, such as their technical specifications, how they functioned, etc?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:29 am 
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No, I Haven't really looked into chicago that much.. but it seems quite interesting on how the windows we use today all started from chicago.

I Will Check It Out, what build is the best? I Was thinking of getting hold of some builds from a friend.

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Do you happen to know of know of any Chicago builds from December 1992? Also, do you know anything about them, such as their technical specifications, how they functioned, etc?


No, but, the antitrust docs definitely prove that Chicago builds from December 1992 existed..

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:18 pm 
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A MS shell team member said in a well known paper relased at a conference that work on the 16-bit Explorer and Shell 2.0 started in Jan 93 I guess the members here dont want. to try earlier builds.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Chicago Video From 1993, Showing Usability Flaws        Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:34 pm 
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Chicago Usability Test Release is build 34 and the build shown in that video must be 34 if you look at the "three" buttons' icons in the early taskbar. Watch this video and compare it to microsoft's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbVRWziUHdY


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Eh? Build 34 played in VMWare on video?

It looks very different from screenshots that floated around. So they were fakes. As I thought.
Or, in other hand, this video may be fabricated (because has some discords with Kenoath screens).


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Do you think you could somehow upload the videos you mentioned?

No i cant beacuse they are family videos and they are still on vhs(i lost cd copy)....

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Do you happen to know of know of any Chicago builds from December 1992? Also, do you know anything about them, such as their technical specifications, how they functioned, etc?


No, but, the antitrust docs definitely prove that Chicago builds from December 1992 existed..
Is it possible that you could post links to those documents here, so that I could look at them? I would be very interested in seeing how far Chicago had come by this point.

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Do you think you could somehow upload the videos you mentioned?

No i cant beacuse they are family videos and they are still on vhs(i lost cd copy)....


You could try getting a camera and just filming your tv? :P

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A VHS/DVD combo device would be the best option or a VCR connected to a PC. Not sure how that works though...

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Willza3 wrote:
Do you think you could somehow upload the videos you mentioned?

No i cant beacuse they are family videos and they are still on vhs(i lost cd copy)....


You could try getting a camera and just filming your tv? :P

Camera is from 1990... It is really old and obviously dead.Also i saw it once when we moved and it was trashed in 2004.

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