Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:51 pm
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Right, while Immersive seems to be present in 7989, there are a few licensing keys it depends on that aren't present in 8102, so we either need to find those keys or break licensing, neither one of which I can do.
So if that file exists, the named files above are trying to load the dll, after that, it checks if the required functions are in the dll, and if so, the functions are getting called.
RP_CFolderThumbnail_ReadSettingsFromRegistry() Return Value: 1/0 RP_CFolderThumbnail_GetSize(int, int_pointer, int) Return Value: I dont know. RP_CFolderThumbnail_GetCoordinates(int, int_pointer/x, int_pointer/y) Return Value: I dont know.
RP_PrivateExtractIconsW() That will be the hardest, look at the original "PrivateExtractIconsW()" and try to rewrite it. But there's a little problem, you should know.
RP_VersionCheck() Return Value: 65544 (yes, that value is correct) RP_GetLayoutManagerBandDependencies(int, int) Return Value: 1 RP_PickerSetDUIContext(int) Return Value: 1
M2 only (7927):
RP_VersionCheck() Return Value: 22
I've been able to write such a dll, but it doesn't work to 100%. I can tell you, the first three functions are to 100% correct.
So it would be cool if anyone is able to write a fully working dll.
And before I forget it, you need to add a Registry Key: HKCU \ .... \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Explorer \ Advanced : SHSXSWasEnabled 1 (And ofc, RPEnabled 1).
Another Challenge: Find out what the following RegistryKey does: Explorer\YouBettaHideYoPearl, and what it's required value is (Explorer.exe). solved: hides the startbutton.
Hint: This will work in M1 too.
And this, opening SHSXS.DLL from 8102 using Resource Hacker at "XML",
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:43 am
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You know, I'm beginning to wonder if its possible to backport it to Windows 7, since 7xxx builds of Windows 8 are closer in relation to Windows 7, plus 7989 has the most complete Metro of all the 7xxx builds, so possibly backporting the DLLs of both 7989 and some from the DP could just make it work.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:27 pm
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Here is a comparison between the apparent Build 7989 version of the Start screen, and the D9 version.
Build 7989 version (some people have questioned its authenticity, but it still looks to me to be quite real):
D9 version:
You can see quite a lot of similarity, such as the Internet Explorer, Mail, Calendar, and Weather tiles being almost entirely the same, among several other things.
Personally, I believe that the Build 7989 version is real, since it not only looks quite similar to the D9 version in several aspects, but the date that it was posted also seems too close to the date on which Build 7989 was leaked for it to be fake. But, until we actually see anything for ourselves, everyone here is free to have their own individual opinions regarding such.
EDIT: Confirmed to be just another "gadget" program designed to mimic, or imitate the Start page, which unfortunately explains the "similarity" between screenshots.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:46 pm
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WinPC, did you read the comment? It is rainmeter according to the comment, and also the desktop is clearly visable, early "metro" (as IT was known then) required aero off which also meant a black background. And we didn't saw the screenshot until now, if it was "real" we would know about that already.
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:41 pm
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Ok guys this is really not worth pursuing 7989 did not have a working copy of the metro interface. At that point in the development cycle the coding for metro inside of 7989 was still being coded. Some of the coding sections were still commented from what I've been told they were still making the graph paper like interface for the start page. In other words what you will unlock is something that is sin ugly you can't do this by legal methods. Your going to need to open up a hex editor and force enable it which is not legal. Its locked on the coding level meaning its hard locked nothing you do in the registry will force enable it you need to mod the files.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:45 pm
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Smorgan wrote:
Ok guys this is really not worth pursuing 7989 did not have a working copy of the metro interface. At that point in the development cycle the coding for metro inside of 7989 was still being coded. Some of the coding sections were still commented from what I've been told they were still making the graph paper like interface for the start page. In other words what you will unlock is something that is sin ugly you can't do this by legal methods. Your going to need to open up a hex editor and force enable it which is not legal. Its locked on the coding level meaning its hard locked nothing you do in the registry will force enable it you need to mod the files.
More to the point, crucial files have been left out the builds we have...
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:50 am
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hounsell wrote:
Smorgan wrote:
Ok guys this is really not worth pursuing 7989 did not have a working copy of the metro interface. At that point in the development cycle the coding for metro inside of 7989 was still being coded. Some of the coding sections were still commented from what I've been told they were still making the graph paper like interface for the start page. In other words what you will unlock is something that is sin ugly you can't do this by legal methods. Your going to need to open up a hex editor and force enable it which is not legal. Its locked on the coding level meaning its hard locked nothing you do in the registry will force enable it you need to mod the files.
More to the point, crucial files have been left out the builds we have...
No they haven't housell the files are there its just the interface looks like a POS in the early development of 7989. Its not worth the trouble going through to even attempt this.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:52 am
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Well wouldn't it be interesting to see anyways? Surely there are some things in there that weren't in the DP's metro.
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Also how is any of this illegal Smorgan? I mean, Microsoft isn't gonna give a damn if a few people are just messing with some betas of Windows 8 just to see if they can get Metro on some old build just for the hell of it!
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:24 am
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@ DarkerJ its illegal to modify coding which is still used today on computers so hence coding from a beta could conceivably be still used in the RTM.
It would be interesting however I had more interest in the release preview (shrugs) the person I know who got it working sadly threw the modification away. Its a bit frivolous at this point as the best build in my mind was the RP cause it was so fun to see Aero and Metro working side by side quite well
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:27 am
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Well, even if it is "ugly", I would still find it interesting nonetheless, I mean, the Ribbon UI and Webcam app (apparently the first Metro app ever created for Windows 8) weren't so great looking in their earlier stages, yet they were still extremely interesting to see nonetheless.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:48 pm
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In case anyone hasn't noticed, I've updated my above post with a comparison of the apparent Build 7989 screenshot and the D9 version of the Start screen.
The two look quite similar, actually, infact, I've noticed a lot of common apps, as well as similar designs for the Metro tiles.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:39 am
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WinPC wrote:
In case anyone hasn't noticed, I've updated my above post with a comparison of the apparent Build 7989 screenshot and the D9 version of the Start screen.
The two look quite similar, actually, infact, I've noticed a lot of common apps, as well as similar designs for the Metro tiles.
The top one is Rainmeter. It is NOT any semblance of Metro in 7989.
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:47 am
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WinPC wrote:
Here is a comparison between the apparent Build 7989 version of the Start screen, and the D9 version.
Build 7989 version (some people have questioned its authenticity, but it still looks to me to be quite real):
D9 version:
You can see quite a lot of similarity, such as the Internet Explorer, Mail, Calendar, and Weather tiles being almost entirely the same, among several other things.
Personally, I believe that the Build 7989 version is real, since it not only looks quite similar to the D9 version in several aspects, but the date that it was posted also seems too close to the date on which Build 7989 was leaked for it to be fake. But, until we actually see anything for ourselves, everyone here is free to have their own individual opinions regarding such.
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:44 am
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WinPC wrote:
Here is a comparison between the apparent Build 7989 version of the Start screen, and the D9 version.
Build 7989 version (some people have questioned its authenticity, but it still looks to me to be quite real):
Personally, I believe that the Build 7989 version is real, since it not only looks quite similar to the D9 version in several aspects, but the date that it was posted also seems too close to the date on which Build 7989 was leaked for it to be fake. But, until we actually see anything for ourselves, everyone here is free to have their own individual opinions regarding such.
Lemme download and install 7989 and install Rainmeter with Omnimo skin on top of it and produce maybe even exact picture like this one. EDIT : I think I have the right to say... close enough... (Ignore the date, it was just to prevent the timebomb to explode ) EDIT2 : WinPC, if you look closely at the 7989 screenshot and the "PayPal" tile you can see the word "Omnimo" in second line of text
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:42 am
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Smorgan wrote:
@ DarkerJ its illegal to modify coding which is still used today on computers so hence coding from a beta could conceivably be still used in the RTM.
It would be interesting however I had more interest in the release preview (shrugs) the person I know who got it working sadly threw the modification away. Its a bit frivolous at this point as the best build in my mind was the RP cause it was so fun to see Aero and Metro working side by side quite well
I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that it is illegal to hex-edit or otherwise modify files. It's not. How do you think game mods and such work, sure they might not edit the file per-say but they do the same thing at run time.
Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:18 pm
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Whistler4Ever wrote:
WinPC wrote:
Here is a comparison between the apparent Build 7989 version of the Start screen, and the D9 version.
Build 7989 version (some people have questioned its authenticity, but it still looks to me to be quite real):
Personally, I believe that the Build 7989 version is real, since it not only looks quite similar to the D9 version in several aspects, but the date that it was posted also seems too close to the date on which Build 7989 was leaked for it to be fake. But, until we actually see anything for ourselves, everyone here is free to have their own individual opinions regarding such.
Lemme download and install 7989 and install Rainmeter with Omnimo skin on top of it and produce maybe even exact picture like this one. EDIT : I think I have the right to say... close enough... (Ignore the date, it was just to prevent the timebomb to explode ) EDIT2 : WinPC, if you look closely at the 7989 screenshot and the "PayPal" tile you can see the word "Omnimo" in second line of text
So basically, this was some sort of program designed to mimic the Start page? I think I've heard of this "Rainmeter" program that you're talking about, but I didn't know much about it until now. If this is true, then I hate to say it, but the article with the so-called "Build 7989 Metro" screenshot most likely just misinterpreted the screenshot that they had received.
To anyone else, is there any proof that the Start page even existed in Build 7989, or even any of the other 79xx builds? Also, has anyone here tried contacting anyone who claimed to get full Metro enabled on this build?
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:37 pm
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At this time winPC I just can't provide the photo evidence that 7989 had the start page. I know the programming was there I could probably make a debombed copy and have a look at it.
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Post subject: Re: Attempting to unlock Metro in 7989 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:58 pm
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Would it be possible for you to try to make such a "debombed copy" as you call it? I personally would like to see an early version of the Start page.
Also, to anyone else, I apologize about the mistake regarding the "Build 7989 Metro" screenshot, although I've seen those types of add-on programs before, I don't use them myself, since they don't really do it for me the way that operating systems and OS components do, and also, I generally prefer to have my operating system installations as original as possible, and not bogged down with lot's of "gadget" programs.
But anyway, if I find anything, I'll post it here.
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