In this post we wanted to update you on Media Center and Windows 8, specifically how we will make sure Windows 8 fully supports the capabilities of Media Center as it is in Windows 7. We took the feedback about maintaining the functionality very seriously, and we clearly understood what we’ve heard many of you saying around the value of Media Center for movies, Internet TV, broadcast TV, optical media, music, photos, and all the other scenarios it covers today. Many said in comments and email to us, that so long as the feature is available somehow it is fine. This post is how we will deliver on that and continue to support Media Center for another product lifecycle. This post was authored by Bernardo Caldas in the Windows Business Group, with help from Linda Averett who leads program management for the Developer Experience team. --Steven
If you saw our recent post on the Windows 8 editions, then you know already that Windows Media Center will be available in Windows 8. You might also have noticed Windows Media Center is included in Windows 8 Consumer Preview. Media Center has always been subject of a lot of discussion and feedback in these forums as well as email. Today we would like to share more details about our plan and the motivations behind it.
First let’s step back and talk about media experiences in general. Windows 8 will deliver a world-class video and audio entertainment experience. Our focus is on providing a comprehensive video and audio platform for developers to build engaging and differentiated apps. The Windows 8 developer platform will contain a wide variety of industry-standard media formats, along with Internet Explorer 10, which supports the standard HTML5 web platform. It also includes the set of decoders (shown in the table below) and new developer functionality to deliver these modern media experiences.
Metro style apps can use any of the decoders included in Windows. These decoders are optimized for system reliability, battery life, and performance, and cover all key playback scenarios for mainstream content such as YouTube video, Netflix video, Amazon audio/video, H.264 web browsing/streaming, Hulu video, MP4 video, AVCHD video from camcorders, Ultraviolet video, and the HTML5 video tag. Metro style apps can also include additional decoders (such as FLAC, MKV, OGG, etc.) in their apps package for use within the apps.
In the process of building a robust platform, we’ve also evaluated which in-box media playback experiences we want to provide. The media landscape has changed quite significantly since the release of Windows 7. Our telemetry data and user research shows us that the vast majority of video consumption on the PC and other mobile devices is coming from online sources such as YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, or any of the other myriad of online and downloadable video services available. In fact, consumption of movies online in the United States will surpass physical video in 2012, according to this recent IHS Screen Digest research.
On the PC, these online sources are growing much faster than DVD & broadcast TV consumption, which are in sharp decline (no matter how you measure—unique users, minutes, percentage of sources, etc.). Globally, DVD sales have declined significantly year over year and Blu-ray on PCs is losing momentum as well. Watching broadcast TV on PCs, while incredibly important for some of you, has also declined steadily. These traditional media playback scenarios, optical media and broadcast TV, require a specialized set of decoders (and hardware) that cost a significant amount in royalties. With these decoders built into most Windows 7 editions, the industry has faced those costs broadly, regardless of whether or not a given device includes an optical drive or TV tuner.
Our partners have shared clear concerns over the costs associated with codec licensing for traditional media playback, especially as Windows 8 enables an unprecedented variety of form factors. Windows has addressed these concerns in the past by limiting availability of these experiences to specialized “media” or “premium” editions. At the same time, we also heard clear feedback from customers and partners that led to our much simplified Windows 8 editions lineup.
Given the changing landscape, the cost of decoder licensing, and the importance of a straight forward edition plan, we’ve decided to make Windows Media Center available to Windows 8 customers via the Add Features to Windows 8 control panel (formerly known as Windows Anytime Upgrade). This ensures that customers who are interested in Media Center have a convenient way to get it. Windows Media Player will continue to be available in all editions, but without DVD playback support. For optical discs playback on new Windows 8 devices, we are going to rely on the many quality solutions on the market, which provide great experiences for both DVD and Blu-ray.
We will offer two ways to acquire Windows Media Center:
Windows 8 Pro is designed to help tech enthusiasts obtain a broader set of Windows 8 technologies. Acquiring either the Windows 8 Media Center Pack or the Windows 8 Pro Pack gives you Media Center, including DVD playback (in Media Center, not in Media Player), broadcast TV recording and playback (DBV-T/S, ISDB-S/T, DMBH, and ATSC), and VOB file playback. Pricing for these Packs, as well as retail versions of Windows 8, will be announced closer to the release date. To give you some indication of Media Center Pack pricing, it will be in line with marginal costs.
We are incredibly excited about the future of entertainment in Windows. We hope you have had a chance to try some of the new Windows 8 Metro style media applications such as the Video and the Music apps. These apps embody the characteristics that make Windows 8 great for both end users and developers, and are included with the Consumer Preview install, ensuring a great local media playback experience on Windows 8. There is much more to come, as developers embrace the power of the Windows 8 platform to delight media enthusiasts around the world!
I refuse to pay for an upgrade just to use Windows Media Center, and I feel like we'd be getting ripped off because we can't play DVDs on our own system. What is up with that??
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:29 am
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:22 am
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I think it's an interesting move. Windows 8 sans media stuff would be cheaper, and you can use free alternatives, which is a win-win, or for the price of a regular Windows get it and the Media pack if you choose to do so. So when you say Microsoft is making us pay for Media Center, really there's nothing new as you've technically paid for it in previous Windows versions.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:24 am
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Panda X wrote:
I think it's an interesting move. Windows 8 sans media stuff would be cheaper, and you can use free alternatives, which is a win-win, or for the price of a regular Windows get it and the Media pack if you choose to do so. So when you say Microsoft is making us pay for Media Center, really there's nothing new as you've technically paid for it in previous Windows versions.
Are you saying that the price for Windows 8 will/could be cheaper without the pack?
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:34 am
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Hopefully WMC will be available w/ a TechNet subscription. I normally don't play DVDs on my PC anyway & use WMP mostly for video/audio files.
I use a TV Tuner and I watch DVDs occasionally on my laptop so I really would be upset if the situation were that bad. The only upside is that I DO know that Windows 8 may be cheaper. You could also just try and stick to the beta until January too you know...but still...Bad move on Microsoft's part.
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:10 am
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:15 am
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linuxlove wrote:
evangelikevin wrote:
>Installs free codecs >Watches DVDs in VLC >Laughs at people shelling out for the bloatware that is WMC
>not greentexting
I see what you mean though. Windows Media Center has a nice UI and that's about it. I've never been impressed with it.
I never even liked its UI. I'm much more a fan of the Zune style.
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:05 am
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Why do you need WMC when there is always the Media player built in that in a way, looks like WMC?
Plus VLC is always there, or XB Media Center.
Because Media Center is the best program to use when you have a TV Tuner, and I plan on sticking to Windows 7 because I bought it and I don't want to have to pay extra for something Windows 8 can have when Windows 7 already has it. Everything about Windows 8 was great until they mentioned this.
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Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:09 am
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I guess for those who used Vista/7 which had it built-in it'll look like a rip-off.
I for one use XP, which never had Media Center or DVD playback built-in, so for me, this doesn't change anything, they just return to how it was in 2001. Chances are, most OEMs include PowerDVD or WinDVD anyway, so it isn't particularly important unless you build your own computer.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:03 am
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I wish there was a popular OS out there that came with DVD playback abilities bundled in for free, without needing to buy some silly add-on pack.... hmmm.... Oh wait.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:23 am
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giantsteen wrote:
Panda X wrote:
I think it's an interesting move. Windows 8 sans media stuff would be cheaper, and you can use free alternatives, which is a win-win, or for the price of a regular Windows get it and the Media pack if you choose to do so. So when you say Microsoft is making us pay for Media Center, really there's nothing new as you've technically paid for it in previous Windows versions.
Are you saying that the price for Windows 8 will/could be cheaper without the pack?
Well of course, part of the price of Windows currently covers the licenses for codecs and so on. If you were to separate that, then the price of the OS goes down, as the price is covered in this addon.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:03 am
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Of course, one hopes that if Microsoft are planning to charge for Media Center, they are going to actually do some work on it. No-one's going to buy 8's media center if it's the same as 7s.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:07 am
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I sure hope there are changes also if it's going to be an addon, as I am unable to use the FM Tuner part of my Happauge WinTV HVR-1800 under Media Center...hopefully that gets fixed, as the WinTV Software really sucks.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:55 am
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Well I am in support of mpc-hc, with the support of TV tuner. The only thing Windows Media Player impressed me is its simple look of the old versions, and mpc-hc copies almost all of them. It is never a problem to find where the functions are located. I always wonder why most windows are shipped something fancy but unusable like Media Center or Media Player. I haven't touched those programs for years. It's quite nice that MS decided to rip that bulky program off.
Post subject: Re: Microsoft making us pay for Windows Media Center Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:01 pm
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I'm sure someone would be able to port the one from the Windows 8 beta into the Windows 8 RC or RTM because Microsoft will probably keep the same Media Player.
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