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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:40 am 
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10335333-263.html

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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:03 am 
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If that's the case, you should either ask the previous owner to find that password and give it to you, or talk to your nearest AASP (Apple Authorized Service Provider) to have them assist you.

A PRAM reset should do the trick if it's an OpenFirmware password.

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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:20 pm 
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That may be a tricky one.

No, just lookup an Apple Specialist here: http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/

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Is it possible to do this procedure of setup on a non-Mac?

No, you can on only install Mac OS on a Mac. But you can copy an existing installation to any storage device, including a USB flash drive, and boot the Mac from it.

But everything in this case depends on the events happening at startup being complete and accurate. If there are multiple passwords for this machine, there is a different way to bypass and disable that.


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I think the gent is just talking about the default login screen, no DiskLock type thing or Windows power on password thing.

If one was to have a bootable USB flash drive, it would be smart to use a disk image rather than a folder, because it must be blessed. Furthermore, a disk image would protect from resource trashing, type/creator stripping and what not. Non-Macs aren't very friendly to Mac OS Classic resource based files.

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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Dezzo4 wrote:
I think the gent is just talking about the default login screen, no DiskLock type thing or Windows power on password thing.

It sounds like this is a Multi-Users password issue, and they see the prompt at the Login screen.

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If one was to have a bootable USB flash drive, it would be smart to use a disk image rather than a folder, because it must be blessed. Furthermore, a disk image would protect from resource trashing, type/creator stripping and what not. Non-Macs aren't very friendly to Mac OS Classic resource based files.

He/She should be able to boot from an OS 9 retail CD, which you can get an image of from Macintosh Garden here: http://www.mediafire.com/?i2484qkuw46w8 (German). But if he or she doesn't have another computer to burn the CD with, they'll need to find a friend who can do it for them. Then they can try booting from the CD.

If that's successful, they need to do this:

• In the preferences folder inside the System Folder, find and drag "Multi-User Prefs" to the trash.
• Empty the trash.
• Reboot the iMac from the hard drive.
• Open the File Sharing control panel.
• Type in new password (if you want a password; if not, ignore the steps below).
Open the Multi-Users control panel.
Click "On" to turn on accounts.
Close the control panel.
Choose logout from the Special menu.
Log in using new password.


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Mulder wrote:
Dezzo4 wrote:
I think the gent is just talking about the default login screen, no DiskLock type thing or Windows power on password thing.

It sounds like this is a Multi-Users password issue, and they see the prompt at the Login screen.

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If one was to have a bootable USB flash drive, it would be smart to use a disk image rather than a folder, because it must be blessed. Furthermore, a disk image would protect from resource trashing, type/creator stripping and what not. Non-Macs aren't very friendly to Mac OS Classic resource based files.

He/She should be able to boot from an OS 9 retail CD, which you can get an image of from Macintosh Garden here: http://www.mediafire.com/?i2484qkuw46w8 (German). But if he or she doesn't have another computer to burn the CD with, they'll need to find a friend who can do it for them. Then they can try booting from the CD.

If that's successful, they need to do this:

• In the preferences folder inside the System Folder, find and drag "Multi-User Prefs" to the trash.
• Empty the trash.
• Reboot the iMac from the hard drive.
• Open the File Sharing control panel.
• Type in new password (if you want a password; if not, ignore the steps below).
Open the Multi-Users control panel.
Click "On" to turn on accounts.
Close the control panel.
Choose logout from the Special menu.
Log in using new password.


its a iso.. cant i burn it with windows ?


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:14 pm 
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ts a iso.. cant i burn it with windows ?

Yes, you should have no problem burning it in Windows.


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:21 pm 
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ts a iso.. cant i burn it with windows ?

Yes, you should have no problem burning it in Windows.


FINALY ive found the password... kinda stupid but i guessed it..
there were 2 accounts
1: Lucas
2: Mrjam

here is the funny part... i dont know the lucas password.. but the "Mrjam" has the "password"

i inserted a cd and it can read it fine..
how can i reinstall the os or upgrade to 10 ?


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:30 pm 
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i inserted a cd and it can read it fine..
how can i reinstall the os or upgrade to 10 ?

It depends on which specific iMac you have (processor speed, hard drive size, amount of RAM).

If you just want to reinstall the Deutsch version of Mac OS 9, then you need to boot from the Mac OS 9 CD and start the install process. If you can upgrade after that, you can also obtain those from a link on Macintosh Garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os- ... -languages

But the last version of Mac OS 9 you can run depends on the specs of your system, so that's why we need to know that before you attempt an update beyond Mac OS 9.0.4, which is the image I linked to previously.

Mac OS X is multi-lingual, so that's not a problem as long as your machine supports it with enough RAM and a fast-enough processor, and you have a bootable image of it to install.

So, what do you want to do: run Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 applications when you need them; just Mac OS 9, or just Mac OS X?


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:53 pm 
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i inserted a cd and it can read it fine..
how can i reinstall the os or upgrade to 10 ?

It depends on which specific iMac you have (processor speed, hard drive size, amount of RAM).

If you just want to reinstall the Deutsch version of Mac OS 9, then you need to boot from the Mac OS 9 CD and start the install process. If you can upgrade after that, you can also obtain those from a link on Macintosh Garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os- ... -languages

But the last version of Mac OS 9 you can run depends on the specs of your system, so that's why we need to know that before you attempt an update beyond Mac OS 9.0.4, which is the image I linked to previously.

Mac OS X is multi-lingual, so that's not a problem as long as your machine supports it with enough RAM and a fast-enough processor, and you have a bootable image of it to install.

So, what do you want to do: run Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 applications when you need theml just Mac OS 9, or Mac OS X?

Seeing as it's an iMac G3 the best course of action is 10.4.11 if it can run it (if not, 10.3.x) and run OS9 in Classic.

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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:42 pm 
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i managed easy to install 9.2.2 and after install i updated the firmware from http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Su ... .9.smi.bin

then upgraded the ram to 128 until tomorow (ill get 2 sticks of 256,so i can have 512)
and right now im installing panther :)


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 PostPost subject: Re: cant remove os 9 password        Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:16 pm 
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If your Mac supports it, you should max the RAM at 1 GB. But again, unless you provide the actual specs of the model you have, that's impossible to determine.


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We have an iMac G3 500MHz slot loader that runs SLOW on 10.4.11. Memory - enough. I don't know what the fad is with maxing out the OS on platforms -- for instance, I would NEVER put iOS 4 on a 2nd gen iPod touch -- 3.1.3 is good enough.

I ran 10.2.8 for nearly 7 years. I loved that OS.

Depending on what you'd like to do with it, you'll find yourself mighty limited as far as apps and games go with OS X. A lot of the stuff has moved on for version requirements. A better thought is to load it up (10.3 works here too) with 10.2 and OS 9, and load it up with games and what not from Mac Garden. Another good site is macgui.com.

EDIT: 512MB is plenty. My iBook has 640MB and under OS 9, that is WAY over the top. System demands roughly 40MB, so the rest is just a big playpen. Under OS X though, 512 is enough. You can't really load it up with applications that are real demanding since it's too slow to make good use of them in the first place. E.G. loading up iMovie HD and going to town.

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Dezzo4 wrote:
I don't know what the fad is with maxing out the OS on platforms -- for instance, I would NEVER put iOS 4 on a 2nd gen iPod touch -- 3.1.3 is good enough.

Mac OS X and iOS are two entirely different beasts; one has nothing to do with the other.

Maxing out the RAM is not a fad by any stretch of the imagination. With each iteration of Mac OS X, the system requirements increase, and especially on older "vintage" systems that shipped with scant RAM to begin with, maxing it out improves the performance of everything, and avoids the situation where you have to add more RAM later.


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the cd-rom reads only somethimes.
i installed os x,works fine but.. it only installed from cd1 cause cd 2 give me an error reading :|
wonder if i can replace it


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the cd-rom reads only somethimes.
i installed os x,works fine but.. it only installed from cd1 cause cd 2 give me an error reading :|
wonder if i can replace it

If the CD drive only reads sometimes, it could be dirty inside, or it could be failing. If it wasn't able to read the 2nd CD of Panther, you should check the disk for any damage or fingerprints, since that will cause read errors.

You can replace the drive if that's the problem, and if you can find an image of the Panther CDs, you can burn your own.


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the cd-rom reads only somethimes.
i installed os x,works fine but.. it only installed from cd1 cause cd 2 give me an error reading :|
wonder if i can replace it

If the CD drive only reads sometimes, it could be dirty inside, or it could be failing. If it wasn't able to read the 2nd CD of Panther, you should check the disk for any damage or fingerprints, since that will cause read errors.

You can replace the drive if that's the problem, and if you can find an image of the Panther CDs, you can burn your own.



i used a external cd-rom/firewire worked like a charm.
upgraded the memory to 512.
upgraded the hdd to 40.
installed 10.3.9 and still it works like [censored].
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i used a external cd-rom/firewire worked like a charm.
upgraded the memory to 512.
upgraded the hdd to 40.
installed 10.3.9 and still it works like [censored].
:|

You've got to be more specific than that. Which exact model is this (processor speed, etc.) and what is the actual problem you're having? Without specifics, you're wasting your time complaining, and our time in trying to solve a problem.


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Mulder wrote:
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i used a external cd-rom/firewire worked like a charm.
upgraded the memory to 512.
upgraded the hdd to 40.
installed 10.3.9 and still it works like [censored].
:|

You've got to be more specific than that. Which exact model is this (processor speed, etc.) and what is the actual problem you're having? Without specifics, you're wasting your time complaining, and our time in trying to solve a problem.


imag g3 500 mhz PowerPC 750 with slot loading or what ever name it has


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iMac g3 500 mhz PowerPC 750 with slot loading or what ever name it has

You have the iMac DV SE model which has a 500 Mhz processor speed and supports up to 1GB of RAM in two slots.

Now that that's established, what are the exact problems you're having. Be very specific.


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iMac g3 500 mhz PowerPC 750 with slot loading or what ever name it has

You have the iMac DV SE model which has a 500 Mhz processor speed and supports up to 1GB of RAM in two slots.

Now that that's established, what are the exact problems you're having. Be very specific.

none,just slow speed,rest of the problems ive fixed them,runnin 10.3.9


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Speed can be affected by several things:

• Login Items (remove those that you don't absolutely need)
• Startup Items (remove those that you don't absolutely need, such as Mail)
• Running too many applications at once. Limit yourself to just those that you need running at that moment, and Quit any applications as soon as you're done with it.
• Not enough RAM (you should max out your RAM to 1 GB)

Mac OS X 10.4 is faster than 10.3 but you really do need 1 GB of RAM to get good performance from it. You can survive with only 512 MB, but you have to be more careful with the number of applications running at the same time.


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Speed can be affected by several things:

• Login Items (remove those that you don't absolutely need)
• Startup Items (remove those that you don't absolutely need, such as Mail)
• Running too many applications at once. Limit yourself to just those that you need running at that moment, and Quit any applications as soon as you're done with it.
• Not enough RAM (you should max out your RAM to 1 GB)

Mac OS X 10.4 is faster than 10.3 but you really do need 1 GB of RAM to get good performance from it. You can survive with only 512 MB, but you have to be more careful with the number of applications running at the same time.


I HAVE NONE APPS INSTALLED
just clean,im thinking to get 2x512 ... but i wonder what performance will i get :)


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I HAVE NONE APPS INSTALLED
just clean,im thinking to get 2x512 ... but i wonder what performance will i get :)

That's not true. Mac OS X installs many applications automatically; you have no choice not to install them.

Your system can't be slow if there are no applications to run, because that is where you would see any slowdown in performance. Do you actually know anything about Mac OS X, or is this your first attempt at using it?


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I HAVE NONE APPS INSTALLED
just clean,im thinking to get 2x512 ... but i wonder what performance will i get :)

That's not true. Mac OS X installs many applications automatically; you have no choice not to install them.

Your system can't be slow if there are no applications to run, because that is where you would see any slowdown in performance. Do you actually know anything about Mac OS X, or is this your first attempt at using it?


i used os x86 but,not on a slow computer like this :)
anyway,lets see how it will work with 1 gb ram


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