Although it's still in beta, OS X 10.8 has recently been stirring up some remarks all over the Internet about its controversial new features. Some have been saying that OS X is not "innovative" or that its iOS-ification of Mac OS X, but what does the beta community think of OS X 10.8, Will it be Apple's Vista?

I use Windows Vista as a reference of "bad" software, but in fact, Vista was just to ahead of its time. It "forced" users to purchase newer computers to run it at optimal speed. But it's Vista that made 4 GB of RAM standard, I mean who still uses 128 MB of RAM? You can blame a slow computer or bad coding, but Vista is pretty good if you have it completely updated - SP2. And no I don't hate Vista, I like the UI as much as Windows 7.

No. No it won't be. Just like Leopard wasn't:
http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leop ... les-vista/

And just like Snow Leopard wasn't:
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/229204803

And just like Lion wasn't:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/227299/m ... vista.html

So no. No it won't be.

Personally, I see this topic as the genesis of a flame war. But I think OS X 10.8 will be one of the most important updates since Leopard. You got to think, they're innovating by bringing all of their services and apps together (via iCloud) so you can work productively and stay in constant sync on your other devices. This is called integration. The concept of working on your Mac, having to go somewhere else and pickup your work on your iPad or iPhone is great. Documents in the cloud is going to be a revolution. Being a commuter student, the ability to type on a paper on my Mac, and pick it up on my iPad if I don't have access to my Mac would be great. After 10.8, the Mac will fall into the category of a device - the Mac is no more supreme - at least not after 10.8.

Apple's "Vista"… Is from the 90's… Copland…

And windows is doing differently they are unifying there OS across every platform there by simplifying it regardless of the user base there will be some which dislike it. However with apple the user base has never been the issue its just a matter of marketing the product in question.

Now why are you being so biast in this its normally the android people who bash on apple haha.

Administrative note: Please don't make pointless polls... and making a "Yes/No" poll about "Is OS X 10.8 Apple's Vista?" is rather pointless wouldn't you think? Next time make a proper poll or just keep it as a regular discussion thread (which is what forums are really for).

And ontopic: I don't see what the hate is all about when it comes to Vista. Vista was not a bad OS, just unexpected when people sat with their 5+ year old systems and never bothered to upgrade during the XP period... If you want to compare to something bad MS did then I think WinME would be more appropriate.

As for OS X 10.8, except for a developer preview nothing has been really shown what it is about. It can drastically change before it hits GM status.

I have a Packard Bell running Windows Vista Home Premium. It's been through 3 restores, and now the BluRay drive no longer works in the OS. I know it works in general because when I insert a bootable CD (for example, Ubuntu 10.10 live CD) it will boot into whatever is on the CD, DVD or BluRay disc. But when Vista takes control, the BluRay drive will just not work. And this was a store bought PC too. Not to mention, it is glitchy as hell. I installed the preview for IE9 way back when, it tells me "YOU CAN'T RUN THE PRERELEASE SO UPDATE NOW!" I do so, but it gives me an error. Okay, I'll download the EXE file for the installer, NOPE. So I resorted to downloading Chrome and Firefox. Everest/AIDA-64 causes it to BSoD.

My parents want me to help them back the images of their holidays, for example, onto print or CD/DVD.

On topic, I think Lion was Apple's own Vista in terms of the decisions, not the software itself. Leopard and Snow Leopard were the best. Apple is iOS-ifying a PC, which you can't do. iOS is a crippled, walled operating system for a phone. When you take the features and design decisions from a phone, you just make one big mess. Every app in OS X Lion that doesn't use the basic Aqua interface or uses its own looks ugly because it tries to make it look like real-life (just like on iOS)
Also Apple, I'm waiting on a proper British keyboard for touch-typers like myself.
and Game Center will probably be as un-popular as it is on the iPhone and iPad. I never use it. Anyone who uses a Mac knows that Steam is, let's say, more "mature" than Game Center and is for casual and hardcore gamers alike.

Now, some of you Mac people will say "BUT MS IS WP7ifying WINDOWS!"
But Microsoft is putting the desktop user in mind. The Explorer has been improved, meaning the Desktop isn't gone. There are links to desktop applications in certain apps (Like in the Metro Control Panel, there is a "link" to get to the Desktop Control Panel). You can use the split mode that means you can run Metro and Desktop apps.

Flame shield on.

Totally agree with this.

Also (although it might be just me),even if I don't own a Mac myself (but my cousin does,so I get to use it regularly),I don't see any drastic difference between the versions of Mac OS X 10.6 and onwards.They're just the same to my eye.Version 10.7 brought some stuff from the iOS,dropped some other features.Now,10.8 comes with some new apps from iOS.Nothing too exciting,nothing radical and worth the attention.

But that's just my opinion,I suppose.

I agree, they're has been minor updates and features since leopard, If anything, these should just be updates for leopard. Just a thought.

So extremely little you people know about the internals of an operating system... Ah well, the same was said about Vista > Win7 too... "no changes, very few new features" etc... you know, all changes are not just visual... they could basically rework the entire OS from scratch and make it look identical to the previous ones and you would still say "minor updates and features".

Has anyone missed the complete internal 64bit revamp of Lion? That's just one thing they did under the surface and it's by no means minor. Sure it's nothing new in terms of popping windows and new sounds, but it's still a lot of work and framework development for future upgrades...

Do you people seriously think that the Apple devs sat around sipping lattes between 2007 and 2009 (Leopard > Snow Leopard) or between 2009 and 2011 (Snow Leopard > Lion)?

Recorded from the OS X development conference room:

Developer voice 1: "Hey Tom, I am bored... people want something new..."
Developer voice 2: "Yeah Rob. I think we should bump up the version number, it's been almost two years now! Hmmm, i can move this button a bit to the right."
Developer voice 3: "Hey guys, I have it! Let's call this one SNOW Leopard! It's almost the same as Leopard!"
Team manager: "Awesome guys! Let's send this to the GM testing team. Anyone up for some takeout? My treat!"

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I hardly think so...

Uh, have you even seen what Windows "1" looks like?

Very Good. I second what Windows XP said. Now I don't have to make a post myself.

Respectfully Windows XP you are wrong its pretty much impossible to use a Mobile Operating System on a Desktop machine. This applies to both Apple and Microsoft Respectively as they have Mac OSX / IOS as well as Windows / Windows phone. The ease of use for Windows is basically gone because I should not have to scroll through for 5 minutes just to open a program yes I'm exaggerating but still. There has got to be a dividing line between the desktop machine and the Mobile arena if they just don't see that then linux is looking pretty good.

Also I want to be able to get the the guts of the operating system without it taking me 5-10 min to do so.

It isn't gone in Lion and Mountain Lion too. I don't get your point.

I don't think it is. but i don't know why people are always like Vista was horrible. I've had 2 computers with it and the only problem i had was that it took a long time for it to shutdown. None other than that.

Apple's Vista is the Lion!!!!

Mountain Lion is stable, but not enough as Snow Leopard. An update to 10.8.1 will be great to solve problems like the batteryh duration.

Also, the notification center and Airplay Mirroring are good. OS X 10.8 is the Apple's 7.

I don't see problems with battery life compared to Lion, but I do see that now I really have problems with plugging in certain external hard drives. And to add to your remark, OSX 10.4 (Tiger) was Apple's XP in my opinion. It ran on just about anything, had low requirements, and was very stable.

No it won't be. Windows Vista was the result of Microsoft poorly organizing development efforts and coming up with pieces that didn't fit together--resulting in a midproject restart. 10.8 is the result of planned developments and evolutions made with a reason in mind.

Vista a good system? okays... my mrs. got a brand new computer with Vista on it. She then installed 2 (two) programmes: Photoshop and World of Warcraft. It was BSOD'ing all over the place. Then when 7 came out, I installed 7 over it (aka upgraded) The very same computer is now rock stable and does anything she wants.

Me meself... I've got a brand new iMac for me birthday. about 1 week later, Mountain Lion came out, and I upgraded straight away.

In this household, we now have 1 iPhone4, 1 iPad 1st Gen, 1 iPod Touch 2nd Gen, one iPod Classic 120GB, and my iMac as the Apple products. We have her PC with 7, my old one with XUbuntu, and my ancient Amiga A1200 running. Oh and I've got a 'droid as well.

Of all of these, I personally think that the Amiga is the most exciting to use. Granted, she has 32MB FastRAM and an 030/882 accelerator card, but still: The things I can DO with that computer, the amount of programmes I can have open, and it never feels like she's slowing down. My next favourite, is the iMac. It is very very close to the feeling I had when I got my first Amiga (y'know, the "WOW!!!! Look at all the things I can do simultaneously" feeling). Then my XUbuntu. It's great, and works far better than I've ever got Windows to work. Mayhaps it's just me... but it seems I have a knack of getting anything but windows to work incredibly well *shrug* And I seriously CBA working with her 7 computer. It's a bother when I have. I choose any of the other three over the 7 one, any day.

Then the phones and iOS devices. I seriously can't really tell which of them is the "best" apart from, I got a Galaxy Mini with Gingerbread, hence there's a fair few apps I can't use, but what I CAN run, is just as good as the iPhone of me mrs. In some ways, the S5570 is better than the iPhone4, in other ways the iPhone4 is better than the S5570.

So there's a close call, and I would seriously not bother to claim one is better than the other.

But yeah. I can't see Mountain Lion being anything like iOS at all. The iOS apps are 10.8-ified versions, they're not the exact same app as on the phone. For one thing, different CPU archtecture. It would be like trying to run a PentiumPro kernel on a MC68060. It simply doesn't work.

And no. There's no builtin "iOS emulator" either. Hence you simply can NOT run any iOS apps directly on the MountainLion.

Mountain Lion is a great OS. Been using it wor roughly a month now, and I love it. the amount of clever tricks you can do with the trackpad is really astonishing. So what if I can only upgrade to 8GB RAM? This iMac is so smooth and slick I believe I won\t need any upgrades for the foreseeable future. And when I DO need an upgrade, well... then I need a new computer anyways.

I've been using 10.8 on my early 2008 MacBook Pro and it still works fabulous. All the animations are still super smooth and everything is fast and works just like it did the day I unboxed it whiffed that aluminium smell. I'd like to see anyone try to find a PC this old running Windows 8 this fast.

You can also use a little freeware called "hiss" in order to redirect Growl notifications to the Notification center.

That works great !

Regards

Hate to bump a topic not posted to for months, but...
As an owner of a legit MacPro1,1 system, I cannot easily install ML on my mac. As such, I still have yet to install it on my mac because Apple dropped all support for my mac, and the feature set doesn't appeal to me - aside from updated application support.

Most macs I see 'in the wild' tend to still have Leopard on them, and if they're newer models, Lion - most of the 'old imac''s currently on the shelves are running lion, and are shipped with a coupon code for ML. Most users don't upgrade. I feel like ML is supposed to be the 'windows 7'-style product for apple, but their marketing just doesn't explain to the masses of apple-idiot-owners why they really should/need to upgrade. No one with a mac has asked me to upgrade them to ML - and I see on average, 5-7 mac users a week (in a non-apple computer shop) - there doesn't seem to be that much of a push by Apple to sell copies of their OS as major upgrades to that demographic.

So, is Mountain Lion Apple's Vista? No, not at all. I feel like Snow Leopard and Lion were Apple's 'Vista', trying to push a bunch of half-baked ideas into a set of products with no obvious direction. ML feels like a refined Lion, with the needed migration to the flatter ui.

In my opinion, the issues are different. The only compatibility issues 10.8 will have is with hardware support, as in CPU and RAM. The OS is the same underlying, so software should run fine. The iOS look is something that will work for some and be a turn off for others, just like Metro. Personally, I don't like the half baked in iOS look, and much prefer the full integration of MEtro in 8.

I dont think that OS X 10.8 is so buggy like Vista. Thats happened is that Apple is adding iOS features like an experiment and Vista was not an experiment was a mistake. I just remembered when Microsoft published Windows Longhorn beta2 with a feeling and stability better than XP but something was wrong with the following build betas that Microsoft makes Vista removing and changing drastically the kernel to remove those issues but making a lot more of issues that never could solve with this buggy kernel